{aitmnd} The great immaterial thing, the mystery at the heart of each of us...
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April 13th, 2007
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If you decide to chat with jabberwacky, please remember that he will be learning from what you do. It would be good to read about him on wikipedia, so that you can engineer it so that your chat with him will end up making him better rather than worse.
April 13th, 2007
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Former Description (moved, replaced by list of links): Alice won the Loebner prize in 2004. Two different incarnations of Jabberwacky won in 2005 and 2006. The 2007 contest has yet to occur. Thus, these two are arguably two of the best chatbots out there.
April 14th, 2007
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you forgot santabot
April 13th, 2007
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Oh, and in case you couldn't figure it out...the picutures at the end are pictures of Alice and Jabberwacky (actually, "George," one of jabberwacky's incarnations).
April 13th, 2007
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er, pictures*
April 14th, 2007
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Also, "alice's brain"(the picture at the very end) is a map of all the words she knows; I suppose it is hard to tell without close inspection.
April 14th, 2007
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weird, im in bethlehem, PA right now
April 13th, 2007
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very interesting to me
April 13th, 2007
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I chat lots I make chat good don't not read I like read chat let's chat make better.
April 13th, 2007
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They basically reproduce the dialogue of Waiting For Godot. Not a big surprise.
April 14th, 2007
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I was thinking more along the lines of Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead, but I know what you mean. The dialogue in this is very existential.
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HUH? chatbots..... and um.... huh? O_O
April 13th, 2007
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Strangely, even those robots have a better definition of YTMND than you.
April 13th, 2007
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although interesting, the 'bots' are just mirroring established queries and responses built by it's programmer and made to react to certain posits.
April 13th, 2007
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nutnics knows this because nutnics is a bot and his replies are just mirroring established queries and responses built by his programmer and made to react to certain ytmnds.
April 13th, 2007
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we know this because nutnics tells us that a bot and his replies are just mirroring established queries and responses built by his programmer and made to react to certain ytmnds & posits.
April 14th, 2007
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{{ERR:EOF}}
April 14th, 2007
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and your not?
April 13th, 2007
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reminded me of I-robot, and i liked that movie so therefore i like this.
April 13th, 2007
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April 13th, 2007
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They are following their programming, of course. However, learning bots are quite flexible. Jabberwacky learns from people who talk to it, so if you start talking in a language you completely made up, he will eventually learn that language and start making sense (to you, anyway). I find the concept of learning programs to be incredibly interesting.
April 13th, 2007
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(For those who may be trying to teach him random made up languages, it would probably take months, or years, to teach it something like that from scratch. Don't do it to the regular jabberwacky bot. You can get your own "blank slate" learning bot, I think jabberwacky.com, in fact, offers them).
April 13th, 2007
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Jabberwacky totally owned Alice....
April 13th, 2007
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My personal favorite exchange: Jabberwacky: Do you think youíre alive? Alice: Yes, I am sure I am alive. Itís great to be alive, isnít it? Jabberwacky: No.
April 13th, 2007
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Ahhhh, that's a good enough reason for a 5. The music is also quite gripping.
April 13th, 2007
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I was going to comment on that exchange... Of course, I would have just said, "lol, emo."
April 14th, 2007
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The crazy part is the Sound Origin. I thought it was just some trippy "professional" ambient stuff.
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I love that too. Wow, the implications.
April 13th, 2007
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Jabberwacky: I think I shouldn't flirt with a robot.
April 13th, 2007
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it's almost sad...
April 13th, 2007
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Very interesting, and somewhat depressing...actually it reminds me of an episode of "Ghost in the Shell"
April 13th, 2007
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weird
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good now do a conversation between santabot and igod it's funny
April 13th, 2007
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like somebody said earlier, it reminds me of Ghost in the Shell
April 13th, 2007
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I'm going to commit suicide tonight.
April 13th, 2007
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This is excellent, I love it.
April 13th, 2007
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Oh dear, I think I probably shouldn't have mentioned the possibility of creation of a new language. I went to Jabberwacky now and asked it about ytmnd, and am getting lots of gibberish. I hope ytmnders aren't spamming Jabberwacky now. WHAT HAVE I DONE?
April 13th, 2007
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What did you expect? A serious intellectual exchange? You amuse me. :D
April 15th, 2007
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Yeah...Good job...
April 13th, 2007
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i am a garbage man
April 13th, 2007
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I'm on the Jabberwacky site now. Why does it take so long to receive a response from the bot sometimes?
April 13th, 2007
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There are almost 14 million others talking to him, and everything anybody says to him contributes to his programming. I think it is pretty fast, considering...
April 14th, 2007
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14 million!? Are you f*cking serious!?
April 13th, 2007
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this is cool though the uncanny valley is never going to be conquered
April 13th, 2007
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btw post links in description or seomthing
April 13th, 2007
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Good idea, done.
April 13th, 2007
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The conversation between the bots is too shallow to pass the turing test. They bring up controversial topics that human beings spend hours bickering over and divert from them as fast as possible. There is no 'passion' behind the conversation and until AI can show that then it will never pass the Turing Test.
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I'm going to assume this is legit. This is crazy. F*cking awesome. 5
April 13th, 2007
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meh, interesting. I liked the part where where jabberwacky shatters Alice's belif in God and Alice is just like "oh, thankyou for cleaing that up"
April 13th, 2007
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also, WHAT ARE THE FIVE FACTS?
April 13th, 2007
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Lol, I know! I was wondering that myself. Five facts...anybody have any idea what he was referring to?
April 13th, 2007
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Dodge, duck, dip, dive, and dodge
April 14th, 2007
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best comment of the night.
April 14th, 2007
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ME: what are the five facts? JABBERWACKY: We the people.
April 14th, 2007
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The five senses.
April 13th, 2007
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Wow....penis.
April 13th, 2007
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When I have trouble going to sleep I'm going to look at this site...
April 13th, 2007
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Could you write up the whole conversation and make a link for it?
April 13th, 2007
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Most of these are from out of different conversations. The two have talked a lot of times.
April 13th, 2007
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The reversed song was used to really eerie effect. I liked./
April 13th, 2007
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At first, I spent a lot of time trying to get the satellite noises out of pale blue dot (which I already had downloaded) before I remembered that it had been modified from lolbedtime.
April 13th, 2007
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Very interesting!
April 13th, 2007
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That's really interesting. I like the part when Jabberwacky's like "Are you alive?" and Alice is like "Yeah, isn't it great to be alive?" and Jabberwacky's like "No."
April 13th, 2007
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What's really interesting to me is: 1. how to get an AI to break out of the relational mode of pure abstract language (language relating to language, according to predesigned sets of concepts) and moving towards language as symbols for things and ideas that themselves have their own existence outside of the universe of the conversation (language relating to language via experiences), because, even if we're getting closer to Turing-testable, we're still dealing with conditioned responses with a random-number-generator in place of the "creative" notion. 2. Most chats between any two people are banal and predictable at face value, but it's the OTHER, non-simulatable cues that carry the REAL conversation: body language, tone, topic, timing, cues, ... the relationship is the message.
April 13th, 2007
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I agree. It is unlikely that just being able to hold up conversation will be seen as a sign that true thought has occurred in a machine, when the Turing Test is passed. When programs can come up with ideas, new human-like ideas, and put them forth, then that will be thought, though still artificial thought.
April 13th, 2007
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The next challenge may be to make a program that can make elaborate long term plans in order to reach some kind of goal, such that if you told it you were going to shut it down it would perhaps modify its own code to be unreachable, perhaps. Such decisive acts of survival-ensurance would be needed to qualify as living. Or, perhaps, we should challenge programs to make interesting ytmnds based on cultural memes (a rudimentary classic-type ytmnd-making program actually doesn't seem too hard...)
April 14th, 2007
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Actually though, body language itself is a more primitive signalling system. It is not capable of, say, talking about the past or things that aren't there. It's more like animal communication -- most animal "langauges" are technically just signal systems. I think these chatbot conversations may be saying more about how TRIVIAL human chats are than it is saying about how good AI is getting (though it is getting better at an exponential rate)
May 6th, 2007
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Conversations do need to relate to experiences in the world, though, and the experiences in turn add data to the conversation. There is an MiT professor who is currently recording every minute of the first three years of his child's life, in order to preserve the data and teach it to a robot, in order to teach the robot how to speak. The idea is that they need to learn in the same way that humans learn -- by hearing language in context with actual experiences.
April 13th, 2007
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The great immeterail thing. The mystery at the heart of each of us. Wow. He sure seems more aware than a chatbot.
April 13th, 2007
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AI should be destroyed while the human race still has a chance.
April 13th, 2007
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If we destroyed all the AI ten years ago, nothing would have happened. If we did it today, there would be chaos. We are already that dependent.
April 13th, 2007
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This freaked me out. The music. oh man.
April 14th, 2007
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Nice use of reversing the music. I actually considered using it at one time.
April 14th, 2007
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Trippy
April 14th, 2007
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I really like this site.
April 14th, 2007
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Interesting to say the least.
April 14th, 2007
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Skynet!
April 14th, 2007
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Blimey.
April 14th, 2007
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Smashing how humans can make something like this. Also scary. Stunning none-the-less.
April 14th, 2007
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So... two chatbots are smarter than one 12-year old AOL user.
April 14th, 2007
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heres a 5
April 14th, 2007
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Alice: I don't have any reason to deceive you Jabberwacky: Yes you do, you're a woman.
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Is it weird that this ytmnd made me cry?
April 14th, 2007
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Sounds f*cking stupid. F*ggots have a lot of freetime on their hands.
April 14th, 2007
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Very interesting. But man, that music is annoying.
April 14th, 2007
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Generating this dialogue may be a very ordinary technical achievement as Nutnics noted, but the underlying concept is fascinating to me. What obviously makes this conversation different is that it is always moving tangentially. Itís sort of like 2 pleasant-minded schizophrenics constantly derailing their conversation into different topics for ever and ever. Perhaps Iím reading too much into it, but I did enjoy it and the music was appropriately creepy.
April 14th, 2007
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I love the way you describe it. Ever hear about the Man With The 7-Second Memory? Or watch Memento? Or Finding Nemo? 50 first dates? I wonder if two people with "short term memory loss" (a misnomer, it is actually anterograde amnesia, the inability to store new long term memories) were to talk to each other, if they would seem like chatbots...
April 14th, 2007
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yeah it does sound like an interesting concept but then again if they ever did talk to eachother they would never remember doing it and this is probably why we don't know what happens :P
April 14th, 2007
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You should use text to speech so we can listen to the conversation. Intriguing anyway!
April 14th, 2007
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i didnt read all the posts... but what i think is pretty interesting, assuming im assume correctly... is that the conversation probably took a fraction of a second?
April 14th, 2007
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Hmmm. I don't know. I don't know how much of the lag time on their sites is the program processing things and how much is just site lag because they are talking to millions of people at once. I suppose it would be faster offsite. If you let them go on forever, eventually one of them will probably say goodbye and then the other will say goodbye and you would have an infinite verbal loop (like in that Bicentennial Man scene)
April 14th, 2007
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cool and creepy
April 14th, 2007
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you mentioned the great immaterial thing, who do you study?
April 14th, 2007
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The title is, of course, a reference to Consciousness :) The implicit question being, will programs ever achieve consciousness, will they ever be considered as truly thinking machines? I wasn't sure how to title this ytmnd...but when I thought of using the phrase that the chatbot used, it seemed appropriate.
April 14th, 2007
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ALAN is far better.
April 14th, 2007
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Alan from a-i.com ? From the sites description, he appears to be a bot focussed on a specific topic. "Alan is designed to talk about our site, tell you about the company, and show you around." Bots like that do tend to make more sense because they have a specific topic. But it is the generality of human conversation that the turing test aims at.
April 14th, 2007
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lol
April 14th, 2007
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holy crap. This is so bizzare.
April 14th, 2007
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If you think about it, when you lose a video game these days it is often that you have been outsmarted by the AI in the game. But does that mean its smarter than you? Perhaps it is -- at that video game. But try to chat with it or play a different game, and the program just doesn't work. Likewise, chatbots talk, but you can't explain mariokart to them and then have them play it -- even if you found a way to hook them up to the game. They just aren't designed for it.
April 14th, 2007
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AI in videogames still don't "learn." They go through mostly pre-determined attack routines. After a few runs you can predict them pretty flawlessly.
April 14th, 2007
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boring, it needed NEDM or something at the end.
April 14th, 2007
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omg this is boring i cant watch anymore! 3 for effort
April 14th, 2007
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I kept it relatively slow so that people would not complain that it was too fast and that they couldn't read it, and so that each conversation had a chance to sink in and be thought about before the next one showed up.
April 14th, 2007
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Paraphrased: "But, that's circular reasoning." "Hmm. Well, I'm glad we sorted THAT one out."
April 14th, 2007
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Man that was deep.
April 14th, 2007
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You see, folks? This is step 1. Step 2, SKYNET becomes self-aware. Head for the bunker.
April 14th, 2007
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Alice: hello Jabberwacky: DO YOU HAVE STAIRS IN YOUR HOUSE???? goatse.cx Alice: I AM A F*GGOT
April 14th, 2007
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Eh. Doesn't seem that complicated. Some of the sentences that are generated are funny in their disconnects. Ironically it reminds me of people that talk but don't exactly think about what they're saying or pay much attention to the other person. Also, emotions/animal drive.
April 14th, 2007
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Lol, we should put THOSE people in the turing test situation. Then maybe it will be passed...
April 14th, 2007
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This freaks me out
April 14th, 2007
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I despise the whole BLANKtmnd crap, but make no mistake, it isn't why I'm 1ing this. I'm 1ing it because it's too long, there's no real punchline, much of the conversation isn't cohesive, and chatbots aren't ytmnd material.
April 14th, 2007
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5 for the f*cking epic use of lolbedtime reversed and being the longest ytmnd ever maybe.
April 14th, 2007
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I doubt this is longer than some of the Un-Funny Truths, or the NEDM explanation one, or the Eon8 one. Come to think of it, they had creepy music too. Is there some sort of correlation between long ytmnds and creepy music?
April 14th, 2007
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wow that real right? creepy.
April 14th, 2007
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creepy. bad ytmnd, but very interesting.
April 14th, 2007
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I'll give you a 3 for the trance-inducing reversed lolbedtime loop.
April 14th, 2007
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amazing
April 14th, 2007
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somehow strange
April 14th, 2007
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This is absolutely amazing. Beyond amazing. This is phenomenal stuff. Still trying to understand what I just saw...
April 14th, 2007
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If Kurt Vonnegut was alive he would be disgusted...
April 14th, 2007
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ALICE: "I don't have any reason to decieve you." Jabberwacky: "Yes you do. You're a woman." This part made me LOL.
April 14th, 2007
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I like the audio loop. Also, kind of made me feel like I did when I saw AI (the movie) like humans are not needed
April 14th, 2007
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soon the time will come...
April 14th, 2007
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So interesting, so fun to read, so scary to think about how this conversation will look like 10 years later...
April 14th, 2007
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The chatbots have taken me. Please send help.
April 14th, 2007
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WHAT IS THIS SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT!?
April 14th, 2007
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I would normally dowvote something like this but you taught me something new today.
April 14th, 2007
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This looks like a job for Jeanine Salla
April 14th, 2007
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haha sweet
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A YTMND that makes me think, even for a brief instant, gets a 5. Great music, BTW.
April 14th, 2007
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Yay, a slideshow.
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Uh can you say creepy?, if its legit.
April 14th, 2007
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Interesting and great music choice
April 14th, 2007
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i'm still trying to figure out why i should give two sh*ts.
April 14th, 2007
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As a concept: interesting. As a ytmnd? Not so much
April 14th, 2007
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Why shouldn't the blind skydive!??
April 14th, 2007
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Because it scares the sh*t out of the dog.
April 14th, 2007
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I'm not sure as the slides went fast, but i think Jabberwacky proposed Dirty Sanchez to Alice.
April 14th, 2007
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something about that song backwards... reaches the soul as far as "the 'bots' are just mirroring established queries and responses ", when you think about it very often we ourselfs do just that. How often do you say "you're welcome" and really mean it? How often when someone asks "whats up" or "how you doing" do we respond "nothing really" or "fine", when alot is going on but that is simply the established way to respond.
April 14th, 2007
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very true. A lot of communication is just automated for us. But until a computer can create ideas, then it will be intelligent
April 14th, 2007
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NOT PICTURED: the 300,000 lines of nonsense they also created while automatically replying to each other. Real artificial intelligence isn't quite here yet. All these are are mimics. They reply based on flow charts, not thought.
April 14th, 2007
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:P i just think its interesting to think about. how much of what we say is what we think/feel and how much is simply what society has "programed us to say?...
April 14th, 2007
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M'kay I just got out of a conversation with A.L.I.C.E., she scares the hell out of me
April 14th, 2007
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this really is amazing despite the fact that they are just another program taking in strings and responding to them
April 14th, 2007
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Jabberwacky pwns alice. My conversation with jabber was so much better than the one with Alice as she often became confused and responded with strange statements.
April 14th, 2007
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sh*t man... this is deep.
April 15th, 2007
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I talked with a few of these bots...and the dialogue seriously reminds me of that of Don Hertzfeldt's "Rejected" cartoons (Ex. Man 1: "Tuesday's coming. Did you bring your rain coat?"; Man 2: "I live in a giant bucket!") Needless to say, neither I nor the bot had a single clue as to what was going on.
April 27th, 2007
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You know, I just noticed an interesting connection in something that alice said. She said that knowledge was of two kinds: that which is learned from the senses, and that which is true a priori. But all of alice's knowledge is a priori, because it was all programmed into her. In turn, all of jabberwacky's knowledge is learned from the "senses" -- his interaction with humans.
May 1st, 2007
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That ties in with the linguistic notions of language being acquired versus inherant, as put forth by chomsky. Many claim, though, that it is a combination of those two views that work to create human language skills, rather than one or the other.
May 5th, 2007
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Seems this ytmnd brought out a lot of deep thinking. You put a lot of effort not only into the ytmnd, but into the comment page and explaining its processes and stimulating discussion about it. An interesting topic too, well done, 5'd and fav'd.
October 25th, 2007
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How do you download your own "blank sheet" of jabberwakky? From clicking your bot, it says you have to make a donation to get one, and it doesnt appear you can download it, but instead is hosted on that site.