Bye (for now)
Created on: September 22nd, 2007
Bye (for now)
See comments. I'm done making sites for the time being. But don't worry, I'll still be around voting and commenting, so you won't be completely deprived of my wit and charm.

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September 22nd, 2007
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Recently I've become incredibly frustrated with the complete lack of support for content-creating users, both featured and non-featured. The longer ytmnd goes without a functioning moderation system, the easier it'll be for individuals with alt accounts to hold the voting system hostage. Meanwhile, Max's apathy seems to be endless. He announced a sweeping new moderation system six months ago, but nothing ever happened. (cont'd)
September 22nd, 2007
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He keeps complaining about how awful most ytmnds are, which to me seems about the equivalent of not watering your houseplants and then getting upset when they die. Why should I bother putting in the work trying to create a well-made site, when a single downvoter with 50 alt accounts can completely undo my hours of hard work? You can only take that so many times before you decide it's not worth the effort anymore.
September 22nd, 2007
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So, if and when a real moderation system is put in place, I'll start making sites again. But probably not before. I hope that happens soon. I'm sure some of you will accuse me of being petulant (though probably not in those words), and I'm sure I'll get plenty of "You're a featured user, you have no right to complain" responses. Frankly I really don't care what you think, but the fact is, if that's what you think, you're wrong. I'd gladly trade my featured status for an even playing field that is moderated properly. I can only take working within a broken system so long.
September 22nd, 2007
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Aaand there goes another good user.
September 22nd, 2007
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Sorry Necron, you were one of the best users for your time. But you are right we need a mod system here. Peace.
September 22nd, 2007
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Good luck with whatever your doing besides YTMND till we get a moderation system, The majority of the time i RAWR'D don't think i ever gave out a rawr.
September 22nd, 2007
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my goal for 2008: to try and get a site of mine to stay over 4.00. also, this comment has nothing to do with anything
September 22nd, 2007
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While I agree with you overall, I am surprised you of all people would complain about ratings, considering anything and everything you put up gets a great rating despite the content. Oh well, hopefully it'll be sooner than later.
September 22nd, 2007
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"everything you put up gets a great rating despite the content" BTape, wtf
September 22nd, 2007
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welp, it was fun. I enjoyed your ytmnd's, and we'll be here for ya if you decide to come back. Since you're gonna be out, try to get a girl. i hear it's fun.
September 22nd, 2007
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This is a sad day indeed, you were one of my favorites. Whatever ratings he may have gotten, due to name recognition or whatever the reason, is irrelevant. It doesn't take low ratings to know that this system is f*cked. I can't sit by and be happy with my featured status and my high ratings and all that sh*t when other people are getting raped. It really just boils down to recognizing the seriously disturbing amount of power that is readily available to be wielded by a single idiot user.
September 22nd, 2007
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^ XD
September 23rd, 2007
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Yup, all this place really needs is to have moderators who can actually moderate. We don't need pointless new features like a +|- comment voter. Super mods have the ability to locate all the alts, but what's the point when nothing is done with them? Wingerding was outed earlier this year with 20+ alts and nothing was ever done about it.
September 23rd, 2007
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BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
September 23rd, 2007
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Just resubmit if you get alt-bombed
September 23rd, 2007
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And if someone smashes up my car, I guess I shouldn't bother trying to catch the guy, just buy a new car, right? Besides, you and I both know you get downvoted for resubmitting, since resubmitting is a bigger crime than alt-voting nowadays. I mean, look at fourest. Say what you will about what he's done in the past, clearly he deserves most of the grief people give him. But his last site was alt-downvoted, he deleted it with plans to resubmit, and then Kassius swoops in and submits it first, (cont'd)
September 23rd, 2007
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...and everybody got a good laugh out of it, because hey, it's fourest, what goes around comes around. But that's horsesh*t, just because he broke the rules in the past, doesn't mean the rules don't have to be followed when it comes to his sites. It seems Max has the policy of "You guys police yourselves", but clearly people aren't capable of that without being vindictive and spiteful.
September 23rd, 2007
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That's not policing ourselves, that's vigilanteism. I'm all for fourest being punished, but that's not punishment, it's retaliation. And the fact is, if someone who wasn't fourest was alt-downvoted, deleted his site, and then his site was stolen and posted by the downvoter, what recourse would the person have? Fourest has a legitimate gripe. Just because he broke the rules in the past doesn't give us the rights to screw him over, any more than I have the legal right to assault someone who assaulted me.
September 23rd, 2007
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If fourest was banned tomorrow, I wouldn't shed a tear. I'm not saying he didn't deserve it. But because he deserves do be alt-downvoted, doesn't give a person permission to alt-downvote him. The rules need to be enforced, in all directions. Besides, in the old days if someone was caught using alts, someone would point that out in the comments, and then people would vote accordingly. It used to be that you showed your disapproval of alts by giving a low vote yourself.
September 23rd, 2007
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But now that people don't seem to care anymore (see: Pape, Le), it seems certain people want to take even more drastic action in the guise of "policing" ytmnd, which wouldn't be necessary if we had one moderator to take care of it.
September 23rd, 2007
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aww man, you were one of those users I could count on when i posted a quality site (granted, my last quality site was posted in february because I ran out of ideas...) Ahh well, let this green earth keep turning...
September 23rd, 2007
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But the truth is, people ARE alt-downvoting him, trying to offset his alt-upvoting, as if that justifies their actions. All that's doing is adding to the problem, by creating a scenario where alt-voting is acceptable, it starts down a slippery slope where ALL alt-voting is acceptable. We're already well down that slope, in fact. I am protesting people like fourest, but I'm also protesting the kinds of people who use alt-voting against fourest in retaliation. None of it is justified.
September 23rd, 2007
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Incidentally, I should point out: I'm not quitting in "protest". I'm not arrogant enough to believe that me quitting is going to accelerate any kind of action on Max's part. I've just decided that as the site continues to descend into anarchy, it's less and less worth my time and energy.
September 23rd, 2007
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those accounts and kittyblender arent a part of the fpa, they're just the usual trolls
September 23rd, 2007
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Congrats on the accomplishment of your lifetime, GucheHair. You've peaked at age twelve. It's all downhill from here.
September 23rd, 2007
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And so, it was a frightful and sorrowful Sunday, when Necronomicon walked away from YTMND and said no more. It was this Sept. 23, 2007 that YTMND spun into darkness as the pink names slowly one by one followed the first and disappeared from the front page, never to make content to be enjoyed by another, ever again...
September 24th, 2007
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... and so it goes.
September 24th, 2007
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Guchehair's alts were deleted, are you still quitting?
September 24th, 2007
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Yes. His alts were deleted a full week after they'd already done their damage, which doesn't do a whole lot of good. Get that response time down to 24 hours or less, and I'll consider coming back.
September 24th, 2007
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Besides, GucheHair has already registered new accounts, because he knows the moderation around here is sh*t and he can get away with murder. Me leaving has very little to do with GucheHair, he's only a symptom of the larger problem, which is Max's refusal to properly and consistently moderate this place. In fact, the only reason Max was spurred into action last night was because tonydanzalol made a fool out of him.
September 24th, 2007
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I've been incredibly frustrated with the complete lack of support for content-creating users, both featured and non-featured. he longer ytmnd goes without a functioning moderation system, the easier it'll be for individuals with alt accounts to hold the voting system hostage. And, without a functioning voting system, it will be impossible to support content creators financially for their submissions. However, since there is not and never will be a financial reimbursement system...
September 24th, 2007
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"Why should I bother putting in the work trying to create a well-made site, when a single downvoter with 50 alt accounts can completely undo my hours of hard work?" If you can answer ""Why should I bother putting in the work trying to create a well-made site?" then you have the answer for both questions. Also, donvoters can't "undo" your hours of hard work. They can undermine the voting system, but that's just a popular sorting tool. And, if you're aiming for popularity, you shouldn't make sites anyways.
August 9th, 2008
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December 27th, 2008
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Wow, I really look like a schizophrenic in this thread now that both GucheHair and Umfuld have both been banned.
September 22nd, 2007
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QQ
September 22nd, 2007
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1 because f*ck you, don't leave. plz?
September 22nd, 2007
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RAWR!
September 22nd, 2007
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have a good life. I liked your arnolds got hoes site
September 22nd, 2007
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September 22nd, 2007
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BTW Love your other sites
September 22nd, 2007
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godspeed
September 22nd, 2007
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Another one bites the dust. I agree with you; I watched about 100 tonydanza alts register last night alone. There ARE other ways to amuse yourself on YTMND until the fabled second coming of max, but some sort of progress would be nice to see.
September 24th, 2007
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I think it would be the fourth coming, the first was in 2004, the second in January 2006, and the third last March.
September 22nd, 2007
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lol
September 23rd, 2007
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oh sorry I thought I was commenting on a different site lol
September 22nd, 2007
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I agree also with what your saying. We don't want anymore trolls like Guchehair coming here again.
September 22nd, 2007
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This is all dependent on what you quantify as worthy of "hours of hard work". Does putting "hours of hard work" into something neccesitate thousands of views and countless handjob comments? If you just want to make good quality gif animations and stuff, then you do it for the fun. Ive got a few alts where I make stuff that took hours+ but its not the end of the world for it to be unseen. The tragic is this sh.itty community, and infinite amount of dips.hits with no sense.
September 22nd, 2007
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It's not "fun" editing images and sound, at least not to me. The fun is people seeing it, and enjoying it. If it's going to be unseen, I don't see the point waste my time making it. Hence, why I'm done making sites for the time being.
September 22nd, 2007
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I mean look, it's not an issue of demanding everyone like my stuff, if you don't like a site I made, that's your opinion, vote whatever you want. But don't vote a few dozen times. The fact that alt accounts have become borderline-acceptable is really upsetting. I mean look at DTMB Kombat on the frontpage, it was clearly alt-upvotes by LePape, and literally nobody gave a sh*t.
September 22nd, 2007
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I agree with Necro completely. If you're just making these sites for your own editing amusement then why the hell would you even post a YTMND online in the first place?
September 23rd, 2007
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That's f*cking BS. Name 1 alt I used to upvote one of my sites. There's dozens of sites I've seen in top viewed/rated thinking "wtf is that doing here", but I never accused anyone of upvoting with alts, that's ridiculous and it doesn't work like that. I mean, if people like it, fine. The truth is, sometimes the sites you put the most efforts into will get downvoted, and sometimes the sites you think will suck *ss will get popular, you never know but thats how it is.
September 23rd, 2007
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Give me a break, LePape. You POSTED with one of your alts by accident in the comments page, then your next comment was "whoops, lol alts"
September 23rd, 2007
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True, but you should have noticed the rating given by that alt. The only time I would argue upvoting with alts is ok would be the few minutes after the site has been posted. In Recently Created, even the greatest site ever can die right away if it gets 1'd by a few downvoters (and hopefully they have only one account) and then noone watches it. So that's what I do to counter one of those flaws you're talking about. Then after it gets voted on 20-30 times, I just midvote/erase that vote, that's all.
September 23rd, 2007
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lepape that's a lame unfair advantage and taken to an extreme (say.. 26 alts, like fourest?) it will boost your site to top rated considering people generally 5 anything that has a lot of votes and a high rating already. good examples of that trend include davetherave forcing a lot of mediocre sites into top rated of the week. it's just no good
September 23rd, 2007
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Many alts will give an unfair advantage to anyone, esp if taken to an extreme. Still, any site that truly suck won't last long, no matter how many alts the creator has to upvote himself. Saying people will upvote anything that's popular is non-sence imo. Some people will vote 1 on anything that has high rating simply because it has high rating.
September 23rd, 2007
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I agree it's frustrating to spend a few hours making a site, then seeing it out of existence 5 minutes later with 5 votes and 40 views because it got downvoted by people who didnt watch it. Some would repost their site a bunch of times until they get lucky, imo using 1 alt to compensate for the early random downvotes (then erasing that vote once the site gets about 20 votes) only helps your owns odds at getting a bare minimum ammount of views.
September 23rd, 2007
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Not a chance. It's true that the random downvotes during a site's birth is a serious problem. The point that the recently created system is inherently flawed, shall be noted by anyone paying attention here. However, by your logic here, one might as well abolish the recently created list altogether and have every site go straight into Up and Coming. Cause that's what would happen if everybody thought it was okay to use alts to upvote their own sh*t.
September 23rd, 2007
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If it were up to me, I'd do away with the featured users list as it exists now, and change it to a "featured sites" list, where featured users can "nominate" overlooked sites -- by featured and non-featured users alike -- that maybe missed the Up and Coming list unfairly. To save those sites that slipped through the cracks. Almost like a second level of voting, one that doesn't affect the site's rating, but will get it some extra views. The featured list as it exists now is far too exclusionary.
September 23rd, 2007
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A feature that could solve that problem (part of it at least) would be if every new site started with 1 vote right away, that score being be the creator's average rating. If users who made decent sites in the past had an auto-upvote on their new sites, and if those who keeps making crap had an auto1,5 on their new NOISEPOLANDKHANNEDM ytmnds, alts wouldn't be nearly as common.
September 23rd, 2007
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Or Necro's idea pretty good. Anyway, just my 2 cents.
September 22nd, 2007
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you make good ytmnd, the site can be a cesspool of corruption, one should make ytmnd for the sake of making ytmnd and not for views or rating however is good to be angry at cesspool of corruption...this good ytmnd but "leaving" should not make ytmnd...5 vote though just because
September 22nd, 2007
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man, i made a million of these sites last time i left ytmnd.
September 23rd, 2007
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Who cares about idiots just post! True fans will surf by user, not just the front page. Your stuff has made me and my kid laugh our butts off. Pleeeease come baaack...
September 23rd, 2007
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September 23rd, 2007
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needless to say, this is a crappy *ss site
September 23rd, 2007
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f*ggy short film
September 23rd, 2007
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Awful.
September 23rd, 2007
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0'd to continue pattern.
September 23rd, 2007
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September 23rd, 2007
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I think the horse is doing the running man.
September 23rd, 2007
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I come here often, browsing, often searching for keywords, and I really don't care much about votes. Sure, one clicks a few time on stuff on the front page, but actually I only rarely see a connection between the amount of stars a site gets and its impact on me personally. What I'm trying to say: Imo this voting-system is uninteresting. I think it's about that important than IMDb's top250. But heck, I'm not a regular, just a regular lurker.
September 23rd, 2007
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change the music to A horse with no name and i'll think about 5'ing it
September 23rd, 2007
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well, everything you said is true, but what matters to me is what you put IN the site. i like the music but the synching on the guy in the horse doesnt look very good. 3
September 23rd, 2007
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u forgot ur fundamentals
September 23rd, 2007
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who gives a sh*t about ratings? alts or not, the ratings have been f*cked for over a year
September 23rd, 2007
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yeah. I don't care about ratings, that's why I have never left.
September 23rd, 2007
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Yeah, but a good rating will give you a decent amount of views for the first few days. After that, it isn't so important.
September 23rd, 2007
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true. But lower rated sites still can find its own audience. You just have to make sure the right people see it.
October 1st, 2007
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October 1st, 2007
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September 23rd, 2007
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noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
September 23rd, 2007
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Why are the comments so looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong?
September 23rd, 2007
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lol you admitted to being a popularity whore. kill yourself.
September 23rd, 2007
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Cool song.
September 23rd, 2007
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if your super creal about this. Sponsor my site http://iamtypingmydomainrightnowlol.ytmnd.com/ And stick it to the man! Now..dog?
September 24th, 2007
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That's a damn shame, Necro. I've enjoyed a lot of your sites (probably a majority? I don't have a tally in front of me). For what it's worth, I make it a point to check out the profiles of people whose sites I enjoy. Admittedly, I undoubtedly still miss out on some good sites that I might have seen if it wasn't for the downvoters, but I still get to see some I might have otherwised missed. In any case, I hope you're back in production soon.
September 24th, 2007
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Hey... this site sucks!!
September 24th, 2007
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no one ever leaves
September 24th, 2007
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I thought this was going to be a clip of that deaf lady who taught us sign language in between saturday morning cartoons....oh well
September 24th, 2007
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Stay gold, Necro.
September 24th, 2007
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Stay Necro, Pony Boy.
September 24th, 2007
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You need to stop being such a votewhore. If you think that you are less of a person than Paris Hilton because less people have seen your body *ahem* of work and reacted *ahem* favorably, then you're an awful person. If not, then quit your bitching. There is more to life than the ytmnd ratings. In fact, all of life is outside the realm of ytmnd ratings. Make sites to make sites, not to be important. All you can attain at ytmnd is irrelevance.
September 25th, 2007
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Congrats on missing the whole point, Korf. It's not about good rating or bad ratings, it's about equitable ratings. If one of my sites legitimately got bad ratings (which happened frequently enough), it never bothered me one bit. But when a site that otherwise was well recieved gets vote-bombed by a single person who's decided he knows better than the group, and then nothing is done about it, that's what bothers me. If you want to call that votewhoring, then fine. Call it whatever you want.
September 25th, 2007
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My sites get legitimately and illegitimately bad ratings. As long as it's ytmnds and not kids, my life is unaffected. The ratings system is a method of ranking sites. It's not the Bible and it's not the reward. It's not for you, at all. It's for people to potentially view sites, and it is only one factor. See: most voted, top viewed, top rated today, OTHER such as TELLING PEOPLE which is the only way a site will really get exposure. If you think your site is worthy of viewers, go find them. Watch them run.
September 24th, 2007
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"And if someone smashes up my car, I guess I shouldn't bother trying to catch the guy, just buy a new car, right?" If someone spits on the glass cage that surrounds the Mona Lisa, I guess Leonardo shouldn't bother bitching about the guy and just paint a new painting, right?" The painting and the site are untouched. Quit your bitching.
September 29th, 2007
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Boy I sure am happy that you've never made anything worth looking at or I would be really disappointed.
April 16th, 2008
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pretty f*cking self-indulgent.
August 9th, 2008
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Mindless self-Indulgent