and the complaints come marching in
posted by max on January 08, 2006 at 11:44:37 AM
As many of you have noticed by the anti-ebaum sentiment, last night things seemed to reach boiling point.
I tried to stop this all when it was a snowball, but it just turned into an avalanche. I'd like to make an open statement to the community, in regards to DDoS. Don't do it. It sets a whole new precedent and will not end well, it affects a lot more than just ebaum sworld and really crosses the line.
I think there is a general distaste for ebaumsworld in the internet community and things just exploded last night. While I never supported or condoned the attacking anything, I was amazed to see so many communities come together for a vulgar display of power. I think there is something to be said for communities coming together for a common goal, even if it is over something so petty.
Soon the YTMND forums will be back up and I'm sure at that point the ebaumers will get a chance to strike back at our little community and the circle of life will be complete. Until that time, since I know I can't persuade you guys to stop, at least keep it legal.
I now have a ton of clean-up work to do. If you see any "DDoS" or "Ping" related YTMNDs, please use the report this site feature so I can delete them.
-Max
I tried to stop this all when it was a snowball, but it just turned into an avalanche. I'd like to make an open statement to the community, in regards to DDoS. Don't do it. It sets a whole new precedent and will not end well, it affects a lot more than just ebaum sworld and really crosses the line.
I think there is a general distaste for ebaumsworld in the internet community and things just exploded last night. While I never supported or condoned the attacking anything, I was amazed to see so many communities come together for a vulgar display of power. I think there is something to be said for communities coming together for a common goal, even if it is over something so petty.
Soon the YTMND forums will be back up and I'm sure at that point the ebaumers will get a chance to strike back at our little community and the circle of life will be complete. Until that time, since I know I can't persuade you guys to stop, at least keep it legal.
I now have a ton of clean-up work to do. If you see any "DDoS" or "Ping" related YTMNDs, please use the report this site feature so I can delete them.
-Max
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Koxum, we have not yet made internet history. But damn well close to it. We are the LARGEST organized group of people on the internet all with the same goal: To see ebaum brought down. Not only are we the brave patriots fighting for the honor of being the man now dog, but we have allies within the somethingawful and newgrounds realms! All who ebaum has taken from is an ally. The war is far from over, comrades, but we will have our day!
Legal Lessons 101 with Jimmy - Why Ebaumsworld.com is illegal!
Alright for all you Ebaums fan and less versed in the art of Law, it's time to learn why Ebaum is a criminal and why his site is illegal.
Ebaum has traveled around, taken material from other sites and users and placed them on his site. Before putting them on the site, he places a fancy watermark stating "Hosted by Ebaums." Now a favorite argument of Ebaums supporters is that he doesn't claim to own the hosted material, just hosts them on his site. Correct. However still illegal.
This is because A) He doesn't ask the original owner/artist/guy who creates the material for permission, B) He doesn't cite sources, and C) He ignores requests to take material off his site even in the face of evidence that the material isn't his. And another reason D) His admins and other owners of ebaum are probably ordered by the lame chief himself to not take any complaints seriously because of his "army of lawyers."
E) So he's making money of advertising other peoples stuff on his site. Very illegal.
YTMND.com on the other hand doesn't really break the law. Some materials/items are copywrited but almost everything on the site is created with the intention of original idea and something called an artistic license. Nothing illegal here. Another point: each site is created by individual users, not max, who is technically not responsible for individual sites. Just the main site, the forums, and his own sites he's made.
Another good point is he isn't reaping in countless ammounts of money from advertising items he's not claiming as his own. This is why YTMND is legal. In the case of 7 Flags suing YTMND copywrighted material was indeed involved, but guess what. Max took it down, thus avoiding any legal trouble. Ebaum on the other hand refuses to do this even after legal threats. I don't know why, mabey it's not worth the money to the suing corporations or they aren't taking any publicity damage?
Now one of these days, Ebaum is going to steal from the wrong site, they're gonna sue him for a insanely large ammount and shut him down. If the FBI/FCC don't catch him first. They're beginning to take intellectual property (the ideas and original thought of the others) seriously and it's only a matter of time before the law catches up with him.
Alternatively, a class-action lawsuit by all those who have had material/property stolen from them could also shut down Ebaums, especially if they want to try to get him to repay by charging daily use in the past for items used starting from the date in which the original request to remove was started OR if the artist was only recently alerted since the time it was posted.
So before anymore of you Ebaum fanboys attempt to drop the lame "he only hosts" crap you now have officially been out argued by someone who can string more than swear words and other low level vocabulary by a man who can actually process large words.
To sum it up (with Caps for those who have a very short attention span): EBAUMS ILLEGAL, YTMND PERFECTLY LEGAL WITHIN CERTAIN BOUNDRIES, Ebaum users have just been pwned in a legal argument. Good day, you lose sirs!
BTW - To YTMND Guys and max, sorry about the long posts in the comments, I figured mabey this would help enlighten the Ebaum mob, but then again you can't teach Ogres new tricks. Long live King MAX!
jimmytehhand8 i couldnt have said it better myself irl
im surprised those little bitches dont KNOW that by now--its common sense and has been said a million times over
the question is this: do they care tho? probably not.
oh well.
HE STOLE FROM THE WRONG SIDE
u do NOT steal from ytmnd and get away with it.
and you know whats great about us? not only do we get more hits than ebaumsworld but we stick together.
Wrong. It's more like frustration. I had at least hoped that YTMND would prove itself better by example, not by drawing continual attention to eBaums. By all means, fight and win this war. It boggles my mind, however, when the front page is literally all about eBaums (ok so maybe there are a FEW exceptions). I guess, however, I underestimated the amount of hate this community has towards that place. I'm with y'all on that, but let's return to normal. Or at least what qualifies as normal around here. :P
theeviltwin, you don't seem to understand, this IS normal. but it's also special at the same time. it's a fad, much like conan and "NOOOO." but, it's more than that. see, the people on YTMND are usually on the same page (with fads) and they all last the proper amount of time, etc. and right now, instead of being JUST a fad, we're all banning together and showing what we're made of. we're showing people we stick together and we're a tight community. and it will only, imo, make ytmnd stronger. VIVA LA YTMND AND SEAN CONNERY!
In the vast history of the Internet, Ebaums is just another senile hiccup. Don't waste your time with them. Heed Max. Enjoy YTMND and gloat over these pathetic thieves. We have the goods. Let Ebaums putrify in their own waste products. The fact that they steal from us shows their utter moral and intellectual poverty. They'll end up in the same place as the Pets.com sock puppet! Max can buy Eric's sorry *ss at the bankruptcy sale.
Okay well I just registered here and have some things to say.
1-Ytmnd is NOT the first people to ever to try to take on
2-Ebaums has always had a history of stealing work and its not going to end until they finally go down.
3-For the most part, YTMND's take little or no work. You get an audio file, you plug it in and a picture and it does all the hard work for you. This site is made for people who do not know how to use FLASH.
4-YTMND should get very little credit for this "war." This situation has always been brewing more or less and YTMND was nothing but the breaking point when the INTERNET (not just YTMND) finally had it.
Other than lagging his forums a bit what did this do? I'll tell you what.... eBaum gets money for every pop and advertising banner that gets loaded onto your PC.... imagine what the insane amount of traffic did for him? No ones going to care about forums running slow (he has mods to deal with it any how) if he's raking it in....
I have to say this aswell... as much as I find this boring enigma needs to shut up, those pictures had to be found, cropped resized and synced... not just looped. regardless of work put in or what ever what about the IDEA?...
Maybe TWO YEARS AGO YTMNDs where just audio and text but people make whole animations on here which are harder to make as gifs than they would be SWF or other flash files because they want to show case the work on this site.
Ebaumsworld simply needs to die, he makes money out of others work
YTMND uses images but never with the meaning of making money, I think image owners feel honoured when they see their work on YTMND... I can't say the same thing of Ebaumsworld
AND... Ebaumsworld putt malicious code on their site that leeched speed of another site... For that, they need to die
1) You just restated what I said. 2)No kidding, its just a flock of sheep in a stampede. 3)I said MOST of the YTMND take no skill to make which is true. There are some that take a lot of skill and are actually decent but there are not enough to counter out the steyreo-type. 4)Again restating what i said.
Enigma,I think you are missing the point. Its not that EBAUMS steals stuff,its that he does not give any credit to anyone.On YTMND,you are "required" to cite your source.It even says it in the TOS. Most people don't cite the source, but theres an option to do so whereeas ebaums has no opportunity to give credit.