To-do updates and discussion.

I'm glad you guys have been giving so much feedback on the feature list. Please note these are nowhere near final, I just want to throw ideas out for discussion. Don't get too worried!

For those of you who haven't been around a while I suggest you look at the TODO list to get up to speed.

Read more if you care.


[ PAID ACCOUNTS ]

Paid accounts will be a reasonable one time fee. The idea is not to take away any privilege from unpaid
users, just to give some more powerful features to the people who are willing to throw down some cash.
I really doubt that the money gathered from paid accounts will actually be a substantial amount so it's
more to pay for the extra server hardware that these features require. One other major possibility
is to have dedicated PAID servers so that paid users experience less lag and faster load times.


[ MODERATION ] 

Moderation has been going on for some time now. It's a necessary evil. At first it wasn't needed but
as the traffic grew the need for advertisers grew so as the site could pay for bandwidth. As many of you
can guess, advertisers aren't pleased when you have animated pictures of gay men having sex on your domain.
If moderation stopped, advertisers would drop the site, and the site would shut down. It has to be done
in order to keep the site alive. The honor system doesn't work on a scale this large. YTMNSFW is required.

The idea is to allow anyone to do moderation and require a majority vote. If people moderate at the same time
they are looking at new YTMNDs, it shouldn't really get backlogged.


[ SITE DELETION ]

One of the main reasons I have even included auto-deletion is the sheer amount of awful sites that are made on
a daily basis. There have been 280,000 sites created, of those, 180,000 still exist. The majority of content
complaints I get are from people who have had a site made about them. Girls who have angry boyfriends, high
schoolers who want to pick on someone, etc. There are a huge number of sites with inside jokes and pictures
of people that aren't noteworthy, people's personal information etc. There are tens of thousands of duplicate
sites (ie. needs more cowbell syndrome). If users don't police the content of the community, it's going to
continue getting worse.

This causes a problem as each site (even if it doesn't get viewed) adds to the load and storage space across
all servers. The more gunk clogging up the system the slower the YTMND engine will run. Sites are currently
being made at up to 2500 per day.


[ SUGGESTED CHANGES ]

Again these aren't set in stone and I am throwing out the TODO so you guys know what's going on and what
I'm up to. The 2.5 score/100 views/10 votes thing was totally pulled out of the air. I obviously want to
keep the "instant on" aspect of YTMND and the ability to see the most recently created sites in as "real
-time" as possible. It was definitely a bit over-zealous, and I realize how many sites would be affected
by using this method (70,435 to be exact). 

I want feedback from you, the user. We have to figure out a suitable way to keep the site clean enough for
advertisers without holding people back too much. We have to focus on quality over quantity.


[ ANOTHER POSSIBLE SOLUTION FOR MODERATION AND DELETION ]

User would create a site as normal. Upon creation the site has 2 weeks to receive 5 moderation votes.
Anyone can see recently created sites, and logged in users are prompted to choose between a few
moderation votes. Users can only vote on a site once one of two things happens a) they have made a
moderation decision on that site or b) 5 other people have already made moderation decisions on that
site.

If after two weeks the site still hasn't managed to get 5 moderation votes it's priority will raise in
the queue. At this point only registered users will be able to see the YTMND until it's been moderated.
The queue would most likely be displayed on the front page.

Another possible idea is do away with the recently created list and come up with an "unknown ytmnds" list.
Initially it would be seeded with a number such as 50. It would then cycle through every site that has less
than 50 total views starting from the oldest and working its way to the newest. The exposure on the front
page would give a lot of old and unknown sites some fresh traffic. At a certain point once the older sites
have been viewed 50 times, only new YTMNDs will show up in this area, and it would solve the problem of
people making YTMNDs at reset time to inject their way into the Top 15. 

The possibilities are endless. 



Below are some new suggestions and things I forgot to add. Again, please comment on this stuff as it is
the only way I can get feedback.


[ FORUMS ]

Regarding the forum goers who want things back to the way they used to be, it probably isn't going to happen.
The forums are a free service which are offered to members of the site. It's meant to be a community area. 
The main users of the forums don't even visit the main site and usually shun away any user who mentions the
site. I am adding a sub-forum to appease you, but I'm not going back to the old way it was because it was
hurting the community and only benefited a minority of the community. If you are looking for that type of forum
there are multiple that have started in response of YTMND enforcing it's rules and I am sure you will have no
trouble finding them.


[ SITES ] 

+- Build a protection mechanism to keep sites from being accidentally deleted
+-- (especially useful for hall of fame).
@- Possibly require sound and image origin fields.


[ FLASH ]

@- On upload make a copy and convert sound files to SWF (has to be done for mp3)
@- Write a flash/JavaScript player and preloader.
@-- This will more or less end all sound compatibility options, end the need for (refresh) etc.
@-- This would require a major change of infrastructure and the need for a lot more hardware.



[ SITE TEMPLATE ]

@- Allow users to use the "# !" style on the site template instead of the corner image (not sure if this
@-- should be paid or an available feature for all users). The corner image is mainly to draw the
@-- attention of www. to people that aren't members of the site so it serves little purpose to non-paid
@-- users except for the advertisement.


[ STANDARDIZE SITE LINK DISPLAY ] 

@- Go through and make sure every link that links to a sub-domain opens in a new window.
@- Standardize the way a site title and votebar is displayed.
@- Possibly make icons for the site list which show sites that are ws/nsfw and sites that are in the HOF.


[ SEARCH ]

+- Make the search more powerful, make an advanced search.
@- Possibly a paid feature to add filtering.


[ CONTENT BOXES / FRONT PAGE ]

*- Don't show the Top Viewed box at reset, causes some skewed results.
+- Write some code so that sponsored sites get an amount of front page time equivalent
+-  to the percentage of money they have contributed to the total. 

[ WEIGHTED VOTING ]

@- Create an algorithm based on each user's vote spread and the average votes of 
@- the site's they have created to create a multiplier.
@-- This would mean someone who only votes 1 or 5 on everything would have 
@-- less voting power than people who spread votes around. 


[ COMMENTS ]

@-- Possibly open this feature up for people who have a large number of comments on one site
@-- (ie popular sites) for free.

[ DONATIONS/SPONSORSHIP ]

+- Show users contributions on user profiles.
+- Show breakdown of contributions on site profiles.


Add a comment

Please login or register to comment.
<< 1 2 >>
January 20th, 2006
255th
(0)
don't worry, I am here.
January 20th, 2006
256th
(0)
If you donate money but everything you do sucks, you're more paying for your own damages then you're really "contributing." I was gone when the shirts dropped, and I'll order one when they're back.
January 20th, 2006
257th
(0)
People, donate quick so you can get that lifetime premium account!
January 20th, 2006
258th
(0)
Okay, most of the conversation I'm sorta out of the loop on, admitted newb. I'm sure we can figure it out, and have a fair method, so that crap sites do get the axe, and good sites stay. Thing is, with YTMND, there's only a few truely good sites like "catch that _____" and admittedly, the future Conan ones were quite inspired, if not well made.
January 20th, 2006
259th
(0)
i wish i could donate money
January 20th, 2006
260th
(0)
Huzzzah flash!!!!! That would be very nice!
January 20th, 2006
261st
(0)
i think i'll give up my tehpwner2 rampage. You have a sense of humour but are a complete dick, they balance out i guess in some weird unsensible way.
January 20th, 2006
262nd
(0)
Damn, I was going to suggest unsponsorship, but inkdrinker beat me to posting the idea.
January 20th, 2006
263rd
(0)
Max, if you could use alternative payment systems for donating to sites instead of blasted paypall that takes a lot of money anyway I think a lot more people would give.
January 20th, 2006
264th
(0)
pm and plz tell me to transfer my pic so i can use them for ytmnd
January 20th, 2006
265th
(0)
I'd have an extra box with new YTMNDs (in addition to the just created box) that cycles through new YTMNDs created in the last 24 hours or something. A lot of YTMNDs don't get a good amount of first views because it gets pushed off the just created box in 3 minutes.
January 20th, 2006
266th
(0)
There seems to be some kind of bug in the rotated top donations of last 2 days list. When I donate the same amount to two sites in a row, the first one goes up, then the second one goes up and the first one disappears, leaving only 4 in the list.
January 20th, 2006
267th
(0)
max is a quite a nice guy
January 20th, 2006
268th
(0)
I'm concerned about the moderation aspect. Allowing anyone to vote could allow hacks to occur, and make everything nsfw, especially the top sites. What I think is that moderation should be only allowed for paid members. It would allow for more security.
January 20th, 2006
269th
(0)
Simply put, user moderation without quality controls will not work. Even with the moderate quality controls Max had on the first batch of mods, some mods are lazy and NSFW something just because an angry mob tags it such.
January 20th, 2006
270th
(0)
I think it's safe to say I would make a great mod!
January 20th, 2006
271st
(0)
Yeah. If almost everyone hates me and I still have my modship, then a guy as hated as pwner must by extension be the greatest mod ever.
January 20th, 2006
272nd
(0)
Yay!
January 20th, 2006
273rd
(0)
I'll pay for YTMND if it'll get me away from the n00bs...
January 20th, 2006
274th
(0)
Can we have 36.42% more dead n****rs?
January 20th, 2006
276th
(0)
Sup
January 21st, 2006
277th
(0)
The Robots have taken me. Please send help.
January 21st, 2006
278th
(0)
What?
January 21st, 2006
279th
(0)
tehpwner needs more cowbell.
January 21st, 2006
280th
(0)
Hanging from my penis?
January 21st, 2006
281st
(0)
hmm, at least then I'd know when you were coming up behind me ...
January 21st, 2006
282nd
(0)
...
January 21st, 2006
283rd
(0)
EXTRA, EXTRA! JOKER COMMITS BIGGEST BONER OF ALL TIME!
January 21st, 2006
284th
(0)
TEHPWNER COMMITS BONER AND TRIES TO BONE SYNCAN'S BONED BONER!
January 21st, 2006
285th
(0)
lol, no need for that!
January 21st, 2006
286th
(0)
orly?
January 21st, 2006
287th
(0)
inkdrinker was a douchebag in highschool, "didn't try" at school so he didn't get into college, so now he lives with his grandma and flexes his power on the internet. :-(
January 21st, 2006
288th
(0)
^ Proof please!
January 21st, 2006
289th
(0)
IF you add flash YTMND will suck. Don't make that horrible horrible mistake. Once flash becomes a part of the equation, the ability for anybody to make a good YTMND is eliminated and only elitist flash proz0rs will be respected.
January 21st, 2006
290th
(0)
Flash audio not flash animation.
January 21st, 2006
291st
(0)
And with that last Paypal click, we're past the $5,000 mark. Huzzahs!
January 21st, 2006
292nd
(0)
Once again (as Max has explained repeatedly), the POSSIBLE flash solution would only affect sites once uploaded (during the process of being uploaded, the sound file would be converted to flash and mesh with a preloader). It's NOT A FULL FLASH FILE (in the sense of audio and video) AND IT TAKES THE SAME f*ckING SKILL TO MAKE AS CURRENT SITES DO. The big difference is, as Max says, it requires a lot more work server-side. Jesus Christ.
January 21st, 2006
293rd
(0)
If you're not gonna take the time to read and understand what Max wrote (READ THE WHOLE NEWS POST AND THEN HIT CTRL+F AND SEARCH FOR MAX'S POSTS), do not f*cking post a comment about how you think something should or should not be done.
January 21st, 2006
294th
(0)
here's a suggestion - Let US edit OUR 'Favorite YTMND' list
January 21st, 2006
295th
(0)
last 5 Created YTMNDs? Mo' like last 15 created YTMNDs!
January 21st, 2006
296th
(0)
I second AnYoNe's suggestion.
January 21st, 2006
297th
(0)
I just though of something. Since every either votes 5 or 1. Why don't we just change it, so people only have a 1 or 5 option. :P
January 21st, 2006
298th
(0)
another useless suggestion!: Zero views box, Zero votes box and less than 100 views box
January 21st, 2006
299th
(0)
btw, does f.uck get censored?
January 21st, 2006
300th
(0)
January 21st, 2006
301st
(0)
made of jelly
January 21st, 2006
302nd
(0)
where the hell does evry one get the movies for ytmnd from
January 21st, 2006
303rd
(0)
ytmnd has movies?
January 21st, 2006
304th
(0)
personally I think only the hand-picked administration staff should be allowed to delete sites, also the webmaster =p
January 21st, 2006
305th
(0)
The "hand-picked administration staff" under an auto-deletion system would be the completely objective and unbribable server that Max has running for YTMND. There's way too many sites for human beings to review and delete.
January 21st, 2006
306th
(0)
Not if you make a policy of deleting entire users, too. There are some people whose things I don't like that I'd never can. But some users deserve to be outright deleted.
January 21st, 2006
307th
(0)
Yes so many users
January 21st, 2006
308th
(0)
The Robots have taken me. Please send help.
January 21st, 2006
309th
(0)
^ Nerd?
January 21st, 2006
310th
(0)
CHECK OUT MOFO: I am currently writing and soon to be filming a "documentary" movie on the events of the ebaum forum raids. Filming and editing should be done by March. I will post the movie on my website for free download once it is complete. If anyone has any questions, ideas, DONATIONS, or would like to help out in any way, email me at ytmnd_the_movie@yahoo.com I think you are all gonna like it!!!!!! ZOMG!! I'll keep you updated.
January 21st, 2006
311th
(0)
ZOMG
January 21st, 2006
312th
(0)
How are you going to make an entire movie of nerds sitting in chairs?
January 21st, 2006
313th
(0)
its easier than you would think. actually this is the ultamite nerd movie. we turned it into a giant metaphore thingy. there is a town of YTMND, and the dark village of ebaum. princess lohan is kidnapped from ytmnd, so there is a huge war over it, and eventually she is returned. most of the main fads have been incorperated into the story as well.
January 21st, 2006
314th
(0)
Can I be in it? I could be teh barbarian!
January 21st, 2006
315th
(0)
Those of us who led the charge should have speaking roles?
January 21st, 2006
316th
(0)
I guess we could use some "historians" To help is recount all the events and specifics, so we can get this as historically accurate as possible. BTW im co-writing with tommyinphinity. just send to that email if you want
January 21st, 2006
317th
(0)
About Moderation: Hell no. Sorry, but the majority of the front pagers get angry easily and will kill every site that someguy that gave them a 1's sites. What you should do however, is give an incentive to modding. Not neccesarily something costing money or big, but atleast something.
January 21st, 2006
318th
(0)
About that ebaum movie: Fred savage should play ebaum.
January 22nd, 2006
319th
(0)
I agree with everything you've thought of. The forums were horrible, I'm glad theyre going to be changed.
January 22nd, 2006
320th
(0)
^ user with unoriginal crap to show for sites hates the old forums. Surprise factor: 0.
January 22nd, 2006
321st
(0)
there is some serious downvote hacking going on lately
January 22nd, 2006
322nd
(0)
max, can isuggest that you give us the ability to link to the sound/picture of another ytmnd? How many different copys of 'fails at life' etc must there be clogging up the server?
January 22nd, 2006
323rd
(0)
hey inkdrinker, you say that "There are some people whose things I don't like that I'd never can. But some users deserve to be outright deleted." However to the average newb your average 2 star collection of YTMNDs would be a prime candidate for user deletion no?
January 22nd, 2006
324th
(0)
The whole "5 moderation votes thing... oi. People don't like me. And I don't like them either...
January 22nd, 2006
325th
(0)
since ytmnd has sudenly got extremly popualar, within about a week we had a coupe, more thousand users and maybe you should have last 10 created sites becuase I notice some sites dont even get a view becuase so amny otehr people are creating sites at teh same time.
January 22nd, 2006
326th
(0)
I have no idea what you just said.
January 22nd, 2006
327th
(0)
Although the Flash thing is a pretty good idea, but I don't want the mp3 or wav to be converted into an swf. Make an swf that loads the sound file (and make the option to place a direct link to the sound file on the site page). I believe it's possible to externally load a sound file via an swf and use a preloader. And to those who didn't understand, YTMND will not become a flash portal.
January 22nd, 2006
328th
(0)
http://www.almightylol.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5686
January 22nd, 2006
329th
(0)
orly?
January 22nd, 2006
330th
(0)
site deletion=crappy idea
January 22nd, 2006
331st
(0)
Malarkee: Your idea with direct-linking to the sound and image files for other YTMNDs would be great if it didn't encourage plagiarism.
January 22nd, 2006
332nd
(0)
UPDATE ON MOVIE: More than half the movie is written, and filming should start by next week. If anyone would like to help out in any way, be it giving ideas, donations, or actually being in the film, we will include your name in the credits in the movie, and probably send you a free copy of the movie, because we will be putting it on dvd. For questions, comments, and anything else, reach us at ytmnd_the_movie@yahoo.com
January 22nd, 2006
334th
(0)
hey tommyinphinity, start the movie with the camera zooming on the monitor to this sentence: "The internet is for geeks"
January 22nd, 2006
335th
(0)
That movie is going to be worse than Event f*cking Horizon. My money's on 13-year-olds pretending to do karate and saying "GRR IM EBAUM." "YEAH? WELL I'M BRIAN PEPPERS! HIIIII-YA!"
January 22nd, 2006
336th
(0)
Idea to save YTMND #29874: Autoban the next 50 people to make sites ABOUT YTMND. The place has become so self-referential there's no room for creativity to grow. Start cutting out the weeds...
January 22nd, 2006
337th
(0)
Idea #345098: Delete all Brian Peppers sites except the mod favorite and the first one. Puts a little "oomph" behind that otherwise toothless "quit making duplicate sites" request.
January 22nd, 2006
338th
(0)
Idea #23978422: Delete all "lol its a clip from Family Guy" sites. If you're going to try to hold some "we don't steal" moral highground, the least you can do is can those blatant jacks that aren't even repurposed into a new piece.
January 22nd, 2006
339th
(0)
But, inkdrinker, what are uninspired individuals supposed to make YTMNDs about anymore!? I mean, no YTMND references, no Family Guy rips and no Brian Peppers? SRSLY.
January 22nd, 2006
340th
(0)
I'll withhold my comments on the YTMND movie. It seems like a long shot, but it could turn out pretty well if everything works together.
January 22nd, 2006
341st
(0)
yes inkdrinker thats exactly what its going to be you caught me but i mean every good movie needs some 13 year olds at least you will have something to wack off to. and actually no, there are no 13 year olds involved in this movie, just a couple 18 years olds with no lives. so ha!
January 22nd, 2006
342nd
(0)
I like some YTMNDs about YTMND, they can be really funny sometimes. And there is room for creativity, there are no rules saying that the only YTMNDs that can be made have to be about YTMND
January 22nd, 2006
343rd
(0)
I'd agree with you, Virty. It's just that there's so many "OMG YTMND ROX LOL" sites that just plain aren't good. Making a site about YTMND should be a rare occurrence, yet it seems that there are so many of them, especially in the top 15 and top rated (because no one dares to downvote a YTMND site).
January 22nd, 2006
344th
(0)
Right now, as I speak, there are two YTMND-referencing sites in the top 5, and three in the top 15. Kinda sad when roughly 30% of the most popular material is just YTMND-referencing. There's so much more in the world than just YTMND.
January 22nd, 2006
345th
(0)
whoa tommyinphinity! wtf? your 13's are on top of each other!
January 22nd, 2006
346th
(0)
and thats just how i like them
January 22nd, 2006
347th
(0)
LOL!!!!!!!!111!1
January 22nd, 2006
348th
(0)
I like the idea of a cutoff - if, after say, a week, a site has not obtained a score above 2, views above 100, or votes above 10... blam! I'm against Flash. This site is good for the simple text/image/sound engine. Newgrounds is for Flash. If you want to preload stuff so it syncs, write some javascript precache stuff. Avoid Flash. Paid accounts sound really good. I'm not so keen on this moderation idea, I prefer the current NWS/WS for all method with a cutoff method. Weighted voting? All for it. Allows users to keep upvoting and downvoting, but at a cost to their vote power. We don't want silliness like Newground's "levels" though. Site # ! template should only be adustible for paid users.
January 22nd, 2006
349th
(0)
" Malarkee: Your idea with direct-linking to the sound and image files for other YTMNDs would be great if it didn't encourage plagiarism." - azalea That's easy to get around: automatically make the credits the same as the linked to sound or image.
January 22nd, 2006
350th
(0)
hey i know a good one DELETE ALL ACCOUNTS THAT MAKE sh*tTY GOOGLEFIGHT YTMNDS also caps
January 22nd, 2006
351st
(0)
ny one have the chuck norries
January 22nd, 2006
352nd
(0)
song
January 22nd, 2006
353rd
(0)
I can't believe someone named tehw00tenator has such a great idea. I'm for it.
January 22nd, 2006
354th
(0)
no one
January 22nd, 2006
355th
(0)
Five words: Preset YTMND fad song database. Unless there already is one that I haven't heard about. If so, add winking Jesus.
January 22nd, 2006
356th
(0)
^ you're not the first with this idea. You're not even the first this year with that idea. And aside from the fact that it opens Max up to all kinds of legal liability (instead of you stealing a sound, he's accomodating/encouraging that theft,) it'd also enable people to make even more terrible sites with fads that were dead six months ago.
January 22nd, 2006
357th
(0)
damn you inkdrinker, must you NaySay our movie? Perhaps we will include a mumbling old coot in our movie, who longs for the old days of ytmnd, where fads were MADE, not copied, and original ideas were praised, in loving homage to you, you wheezy old bastard!
January 22nd, 2006
358th
(0)
Also i apologize for my ebaum ytmnd...
January 22nd, 2006
359th
(0)
i think maybe a feature where you can see on site profiles if the user is online or not, and maybe have a system where you can pm or im them in some way.
January 22nd, 2006
360th
(0)
What's the reason for discouraging voting only 5s & 1s? Those are my two most frequently used numbers.
January 22nd, 2006
361st
(0)
SYNCAN IS GOD
January 22nd, 2006
362nd
(0)
Because ones and fives generally aren't good qualitative measures of a site's value. There are five stars for a reason.
January 22nd, 2006
363rd
(0)
At some point in time, Max chose not to implement a positive or negative score for a reason, and instead opted for the five star system. It's a good choice, but some people haven't been using it to its full potential. Weighting votes makes the system work more as it was intended to work.
January 23rd, 2006
364th
(0)
For those of you who like to bitch about mods (usually for stuff that we can't or don't do), I made this tutorial: http://moderators.ytmnd.com
January 23rd, 2006
365th
(0)
^ funny but sort of inaccurate, some of my nsfw sites still get over a hundred hits per day.
January 23rd, 2006
367th
(0)
NoGod, right, but if that was front-page, it'd be thousands. YTMNSFW just isn't a relevant entity in terms of numbers. I should clarify the NWS tags, though. When I say they do nothing I mean no amount of people tagging it one way or the other affects it's status. It's more a tag to remind yourself and to weigh in your opinion. Mods see the votes and sometimes take that into account when deciding if something's NWS. Considering most of the people here can't even handle the responsibility of a button that does NOTHING, (marking sites NWS out of petty grudges,) we usually don't pay attention to the votes.
January 23rd, 2006
368th
(0)
Wow, you really think well about these changes, but I do have a problem with the "pay feature." it's a good idea for the more features, but the 'less lag and faster load' is Commnustic (Well, at the extreme.)
January 31st, 2006
369th
(0)
Searching by Sound = Cool
February 9th, 2006
370th
(0)
Yes, I like how weighted voting accounts for the downvoting problem
July 27th, 2006
371st
(0)
weighted voting sounds great.
<< 1 2 >>