MORE Circular Reasoning
Created on: August 6th, 2006
MORE Circular Reasoning
Much thanks to the original: http://circularreasoning.ytmnd.com Such thought provoking and asinine ytmnd's need to be lampooned.

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August 6th, 2006
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To the downvoters- feel free to tell me that this is not what evolutionists expect us to believe? Feel free to be scholarly about it.
August 6th, 2006
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blind faith must be stopped in all its forms
August 6th, 2006
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August 6th, 2006
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You know that there is actual evidence for evolution, right? It's not just specialization or whatever you're not thinking about.
August 6th, 2006
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You should trust it because evolutionary textbooks are backed up by hard evolutionary facts and logical evolutionary reasoning. It's not blind faith, it's intelligence.
August 6th, 2006
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hmm, supposed to say im an atheist offended by this, but just becuase someone does, or does not agree with you, that does not mean they do or do not have a f'ing clue what they are talking about. which is the real point people should be taking from these 2 ytmnd's
August 6th, 2006
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To Gobblock- You seem like one of those "OH LORDY JESUS" people, who try to push your opinions and beliefs onto others. I mean, i'm a Christian- not a strong one- and respect everyone elses beliefs. You saying blind faith must be stopped at all forms... that disrespectful to everyone here who has different beliefs and religions. Anyways, Whetstone, good ytmnd. 3 cause it was basically ripped off another, but you made your point across.
August 6th, 2006
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Is this a joke or do you actually think that about evolution.
August 6th, 2006
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If idiot creationists would actually read about evolution instead of just looking at it from a cingular view trying nothing but to pick it apart they would realize just how damn well founded it is.
August 6th, 2006
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lol, ignorance
August 6th, 2006
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http://www.gate.net/~rwms/EvoEvidence.html Have fun reading. If you don't read then you really don't care at all and you're an *sshole for pretending like you actually wanted evidence so you lied and you're against Jesus' principles. Sinner.
August 6th, 2006
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"You should trust it because evolutionary textbooks are backed up by hard evolutionary facts and logical evolutionary reasoning." ...Hard Evolutionary Facts?! My friend do you realize evolutionary theory has undergone some SERIOUS overhauls in the past 100 years?
August 6th, 2006
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"If idiot creationists would actually read about evolution instead of just looking at it from a cingular view trying nothing but to pick it apart they would realize just how damn well founded it is." You don't sound like the critical type. Do you still believe in Santa too?
August 6th, 2006
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Octopusonfire: my point is, the individual must make up their own mind, or else what people believe makes the world go around turns into a popularity contest decided by who raised you. I belive in the principles of science, dont assume something is right becuase it seems that way, dont make claims you can back up, and if you dont know why something happens dont just make it up, its okay to not know everything, as long as you admit what you dont know, explain your rationale, and be willing change your mind
August 6th, 2006
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Of course it has. Scientists are discovering things everyday that support evidence of the evolution theory. Why haven't they found the remnants of the garden of eden? Is there evidence that the world was flooded (Noah's ark)? Using LOGICAL REASONING instead of just believing what a book tells you is the way to go. Besides, mass religion=fails.
August 6th, 2006
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I'd like to point out computer simulations for evolution that use nothing but simple survival algorithims run over simulated long periods of time produce a great deal of diversity from a cingle celled organism and so called "missing links" disappear. Most creationist arguement is that there should be more evidence of missing links; this is flawed.
August 6th, 2006
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oh, and octopusonfire, gobblock = atheist BTW
August 6th, 2006
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Gobblock=Scientoligist?! D=
August 6th, 2006
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There are certainly those who cling to science without the ability to cite it.
August 6th, 2006
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Provokative...
August 6th, 2006
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TheHawk332: Let's be fair. What about those that have a Verizon view on everything, instead of a Cingular one? You're forgetting about the T-Mobile people in Poland!
August 7th, 2006
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This has got to be a joke.
August 7th, 2006
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Hmm... not exactly a clever retort to the original. Evolutionists don't actually use the same argument as religious folks.... evolutionists openly admit that evolution is a theory. http://circularReasoning.ytmnd.com
August 7th, 2006
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I will be scholarly, as I am actually a Evolution Psychologist. Each day, unmeasurable amount of scientific validity is given to specific and falsifiable evidence supporting evolution....from Mitochondrial DNA testing, to fossil records, to observation of microevolution in the Galapagos.
August 7th, 2006
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This evidence, which presents no more unobstructable paths to the actual validity of evolution, has been tested more times than you could even muster...pose a hypothesis for instance...When resources are low, does a Darwin Finch beak shrink? The answer is yes, and that is only 20 years of observation...after a thousand...a million? Billion?
August 7th, 2006
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The complexity of pressure, any pressure, sexual, natural, even social...produces darwinian dynamics that are measurable, but hard to explain...
August 7th, 2006
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The reproductive traits of us, Homo Sapien Sapiens, is a good example...for instance, Why are human females more likely to conceive during an affair? Anyone?
August 7th, 2006
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Females have evolved what is call "secret ovlulation" one of the only animals in nature to create it...woman are more likely to conceive during an affair because they generally choose "mediocre" males to reproduce with and cheat on them with alpha males...this is know as the Red Queen Theory.
August 7th, 2006
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Odd, you know...there are millions of things like this in humans alone...so God created this mess? It looks like he intended us to be cheaters, killers, philanderers, manipulating little social devils... However, it also seems the emergence of memetics in our culture has created a diverse understanding or morality and pluralism... Intelligence begets morality...we can toss the bible out the window, its run its course.
August 7th, 2006
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Science will never say that something is completely and utterly unfalsifiable...by definition, you are allowed to test and manipulate and study until you are blue in the face, without rhetoric, without circular reasoning...this is the scientific method. When something passes the test of time, cannot be so easily disproved, and is accepted by such a large number of intelligent people...it becomes theory and law.
August 7th, 2006
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the bible spoke of a world that was the center of the universe...today most of us don't believe this...but it took nearly 400 years after Galileo was condemned before people generally accepted this as fact... Do you want to go back believing the Earth is the center of the universe? Argue the evidence that says otherwise? How about some other things? Should we stone woman, rape our vanquished foes, women reduced to property, execute stubborn children, burnt offering and sacrifice of children?
August 7th, 2006
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We are smarter than this sh*t, not because we sit around and obey blindly...we learn, we explored...nature has forged us of billions of years of selection process...use your Goddamned brains.
August 7th, 2006
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Here's the difference: Science says- this is the best explanation I can come up with. I tested my theory and it always gave me the same results. Please, everyone else test this as well and if you get different results, then I am wrong and need to adjust my explanation. Religion says: Here is my explanation based off of one occurrence that I didn't actually see- someone else saw it and told me about it, and I can't get it to happen again. Don't question what I'm telling you... just believe it and have faith.
August 7th, 2006
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Science is a great thing. Our understanding of the world shapes evolutionary theory, where the bible shapes a Christian's understanding of the world. I don't expect a reward for believing it, as with a religious doctrine. The only reason I can possibly have for believing it is that there's more evidence for it than any religious theory.
August 7th, 2006
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Doesn't work as well as the christianity one, and on top of that, you just copied the other one and put Evolutionary Science in the blank. And just because people don't believe in Christianity, and make fun of some of the more stereotypical followers. It doesn't automatically mean they believe in the *THEORIES* of science and in particular Evolution. But enough about that. I agree that people who blindly belive in science Theories are no better than people who blindly belive in creationism theories.
August 7th, 2006
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Like the top15 one, I laugh once again at athiest comments.
August 7th, 2006
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Nothing wrong with attempting to flip it around, but it doesn't hold up. The thing about evolutionary texts is they're based on objective evidences and facts, whereas religious texts (like the Bible) may contain truths, but they're not objective. There is no objective evidence of divine inspiration.
August 7th, 2006
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"feel free to tell me that this is not what evolutionists expect us to believe?" And HOW! Most evolutionary scientists would not be troubled if you did your own research, provided it's legit, and would even be thrilled if you found that there were some imperfection in their existing models of evolution, because it would bring them that much closer to the truth.
August 7th, 2006
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1 for strawman (logical fallacy). Evolutionists don't rely on "boox", they have a peer-reviewed and FALSIFIABLE field of science. Ass.
August 7th, 2006
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"My friend do you realize evolutionary theory has undergone some SERIOUS overhauls in the past 100 years?" YES, THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT SCIENTIFIC! FALSIFYABILITY AND RIVISABILITY THROUGH EMPIRICAL EXAMINATION! oy all caps
August 7th, 2006
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WHERE IS TEH FUNNY
August 10th, 2006
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Way to put up an obvious straw man!
August 20th, 2006
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Haha, apparently, there are a lot of atheists and evolutionists on YTMND. You pissed a lot of people off. Good job. Here's a 5.
September 1st, 2006
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People writing essay contests over an internet quarrel = 5
September 2nd, 2006
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Edgy.
September 5th, 2006
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lol I see no facts in these comments.
September 5th, 2006
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Let me break it down for you Creationists: Creationism is Bullsh*t. Evo-theory *might* be bullsh*t, but it's the best thing we can come up with right now. And I like the Idea of omnipotent otherdimensional superbeings as much as the next bugger, but Creationism don't hold weight. God may have caused the Big Bang, stirred the protein soup that made the first single-cell lifeform, but he didn't sit down and make everything. And Don't Brand me Evo either, I'm neither. FunkyM Has Spoken. Also No Stars.
September 6th, 2006
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You know why evolutionary science is right? Cause god doesn't exist.
September 7th, 2006
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"feel free to tell me that this is not what evolutionists expect us to believe?" Ok, it's not. Biologists (not "evolutionists" would like you to read about the evidence. Yes books are used in which to write words which describe the evidence. But asking you to read a book is not appealing to an authority. "My friend do you realize evolutionary theory has undergone some SERIOUS overhauls in the past 100 years?" Yeah: the evidence for it has gotten stronger and stronger.
September 7th, 2006
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oh my gosh whetstone, your frikkin hilarious!
September 7th, 2006
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Replace 'Evolutionary Texbooks' with 'The Bible' ¬¬ Evolution has hard facts to support it. Creationism, does not. Come debate with me! DD_8630@hotmail.com, or www.myspace.com/the_one_double_d :D
September 7th, 2006
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^^ its based off of this ytmnd: http://circularreasoning.ytmnd.com
September 7th, 2006
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Why is it so hard for hardcore Christians to believe that perhaps Creationism and Evolution can co-exist?
September 7th, 2006
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because they cant, accordign to volution death brought man into the world, according to the bible death brought man into the world
September 7th, 2006
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So basically the point the original YTMND flew completely over your head... right? What colour is the sky in your world? I'd like to know.
September 7th, 2006
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Please go back to the middle ages, and please stop using everything science/technology has made for your ungrateful ass. Lets start with you getting off the internet.
September 7th, 2006
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There's a thought indeed. Stop using the internet. Also stop eating cheeseburgers. The bible prohibits that sh*t.
September 7th, 2006
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Here's scholarly: let's replace biology with astronomy, an equally valid scientific field. Let's replace "Evolutionary Science is right" with "the Earth orbits the sun", then "Evolutionary Science textbook" with "astronomy textbook" and then "Evolutionary Scientist (whatever that is)" with "Astronomer". And compare. Will you now claim that you don't blindly accept what astronomers tell us about the earth and the sun? Or have you made your own measurements?
September 7th, 2006
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I tend to agree with neverclever
September 7th, 2006
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all you have to do is replace "evolutionary science" with "jesus" and you get the same reasoning that christians give for their beliefs. LMAO. you're funny because you don't see the poor foundation to your argument in the first place.
September 7th, 2006
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Its sad that you can make a YTMND like this... but not see that this is exactly how Christians use the bible to explain the bible. Nice going, hypocrit.
September 7th, 2006
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So, wait... You make a ytmnd saying the original maker is absolutely f*cking stupid for believing everything he reads in a book "just because it's in a book"... But you're a hardcore Christian who.. Reads a book (the bible) and believes everything he reads in a book, just because it's in a book. You take the cake for the 2006 Hypocrisy Award, LMFAO!!
September 7th, 2006
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ha, this is the reason most evolutions choose to use when telling me that my beliefs are wrong, but yet if I told them the exact same opposite (Bible is true because...) they would tell me its not enough proof. 5'd
September 7th, 2006
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Faith doesn't change because it can't change. It would crack the backbone of religion in half, sending your little world spinning into chaos. If your God is infallible, then what he says is the absolute truth, hands-down. It will be the same forever, or it won't be the religion anymore. Science changes because of research, new ideas, and new proof. You fail, please leave the gene pool.
September 7th, 2006
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One day, the Non-science of Creationism is going to be ruled out completely. The problem As I see iti s that we all believe that there has to be more to life than this, otherwise what's the f*cking point of being good at all? The point of being good is that we like people, and you don't have to be Christian or even religious to do good, you just have to want to. I like the Idea of Karma, that's a reason to do good, because it is returned to you. Also PROOF DENIES FAITH.
September 7th, 2006
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Hey, this is very disengenuous man, VERY. Evolution has been proven using the scientific method, and if you want evidence, ask me to send it to you, because it would take me like 20 minutes ot do it in parts. Also, this whole "lets take over ytmnd" is really annoying, and quite frankly, I wouldnt care if you would do it in an honest manner.
September 7th, 2006
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I suppose it's true to an extent, many people do believe in evolution without looking into it on their own. The diffrence however is that if someone wanted to, they could find hard evidence (old fish-pod for example) that supports evolution, the same cannot be said for creationism.
September 7th, 2006
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Microevoluton has been proven beyond a doubt and can be seen in many every day situations. I believe what you're attacking is MACROEVOLUTION. Please do your research before you pretend to be an expert.
September 7th, 2006
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YTMND isn't the place to make religious statements, it's a humor site.
September 7th, 2006
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OMG, my irony meter just exploded from whetstone comparing belief in evolution to santa...
September 7th, 2006
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I'd join in with the "why this sucks," but honestly, it's arguring with strangers over the internet. Nothing I say is going to change how you feel, and nothing you say is going to make me think of you as any less of an idiot.
September 7th, 2006
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I see you're one of those people that thinks science and religion are mutually exclusive. Excellent work -.-"
September 7th, 2006
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No, WRONG. Credible evidence abounds. Independent research, verifying some things for yourself is easy. I've done experiments for myself(classroom style: pitri dish+poison=immune to poison bacteria). When you can see for yourself by experimentation, there's no circular reasoning, you draw your conclusions from your own research. PM me if you would like to talk about how to run this and other experiments yourself.
September 7th, 2006
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Science and Religion do not mix. End of story.
September 7th, 2006
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Evolution is not provable yet, but it is supported by research. Religion will never be provable, so it's the same there. If you ask me, it was both. The big bang couldn't just happen, I think God sparked it and caused everything. He evolved us.
September 7th, 2006
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you see, science uses actual evidence, logical reasoning, and facts to prove their point. Religion is (blind) faith-based, science is fact-based
September 7th, 2006
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it's funny because you took someone else's site and slightly reworked it to fit your opinions. oh wait, it's not funny, it's just sad.
September 7th, 2006
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thank you. i see the same thing from both sides.
September 7th, 2006
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god you're an idiot. if any science text is right, it's not because it was written by so and so, it's because their is scientific evidence to support it. please either die or get back to work where you belong
September 7th, 2006
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"This has got to be a joke." You wish. Jokes are typically amusing.
September 7th, 2006
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No, not because it was written by an evolutionary scientist... because there are many documented research studies referenced in the book.
September 7th, 2006
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The effort is noble, but you would probably make a bigger difference in the world going out on missionary trips rather than running self-important crusades on the internet.
September 7th, 2006
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I'm starting to regret 5ing all of your sites.
September 7th, 2006
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You forgot 'It makes sense'.
September 7th, 2006
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No one has ever claimed to have witnessed macroevolution first-hand. Many people have claimed to have witnessed God first-hand. The popular response is always, it seems, to sever this hand.
September 7th, 2006
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Evolutionary theory has been modified, yes. That shows it is a proper scientific theory, unlike Creationism.
September 7th, 2006
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To everyone that says the evolution is "just a theory", keep in mind that a SCIENTIFIC theory has been proven many times by thorough experimentation by many different people. So many people in the U.S. have the wrong definition for theory, they think it is just an idea. Evolution has been proven and has yet to be disproved. If any evidence is found against the theory, it must either be changed or thrown out. Look up the real defintion.
September 7th, 2006
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"Well, how do you know God exists?" "Because I read about Him in the Bible." "Why should I trust the Bible?" "Because it was written by people inspired by God." "How do you know they were inspired by God?" "Because it's in the Bible!" "....."
September 7th, 2006
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There is no proof for the bible. There is proof for evololution, some would say not enough, some say enough to draw definite conclusions. But anyway, yes, blind faith must be stopped, even blind faith in knowledge others give you. I'm in training to be a geneticist, and thus I know micro-evolution exists; I've seen it. Why can't full blown evolution?
September 7th, 2006
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FACT: The thought of evolution of our species was first coined by a Belgian priest.
September 7th, 2006
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Its called the "Theory of Evolution" mainly because that's what they called it back in the day. You can actually see it happening, which is pretty cool. I mean, you can chose to not care, or even believe it, but that's no different than not believing in Allah, or that weird Shinto penis shrine dealy. Soooo, yes. I liked the one you ripped off better.
September 7th, 2006
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To be blind is never right, but people put research into that textbook, where was the research for the bible? Just things that god told them? Can you prove god told them such? Proof of the bible has yet to be found. Proof of evolution is significant, with only petty things that can be disproven getting in it's way. Remember the 'intricacy of the eye cannot evolve naturally'? They proved light sensitive cells could theorhetically become an eye... So the fight goes on...
September 7th, 2006
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Personally, in the fight between religion and science, that has existed since the dawn of human intelligence, I'll put my bet on the one that likes to back up it's evidence and hasn't sparked bloody wars over it's text.
September 7th, 2006
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Look at humans for example... Every generation is typically taller than the last one, not only that but our pinkies are slowly shrinking, if you look at a really old skeleton you'll notice that their pinkies are much longer than ours today, so how can't you see this?
September 7th, 2006
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lol
September 7th, 2006
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Microevolution has been proven. But some don't accept that as evolution, meaning they don't accept that 1 species can evolve into another. The very way our reproduction works is evolution in progress... But thats what they've dubbed micro evolution.
September 7th, 2006
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Oh Jesus Christ, STOP SPONSORING THESE YTMND'S. JESUS CHRIST.
September 7th, 2006
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you're a f*cking idiot. Believe it because scientists use empirical observations and natural laws to infer evolution, and THEN wrote a book about it. Not because they wrote a book, you *ssh*l*e. Evolution undergoes revisions in light of new evidence. That is what science is. If the facts of reality don't conform to the theory, you change it. Unlike creationism where you try to change the facts of reality to conform to your theory.
September 7th, 2006
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Strawman
September 7th, 2006
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There is this little thing called research. It's this bizzare tradition of this cult called "Science" where they test a concept to see if it is true. A totally alien practice in our world
September 7th, 2006
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Religion and Politics, http://religionandpolitics.ytmnd.com/, applies greatly to the responses whetstone gets.
September 7th, 2006
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You know that there is actual evidence for evolution, right? It's not just specialization or whatever you're not thinking about.
September 7th, 2006
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How do you know the Earth is round? Read it in one 'dem fancy textbooks?
September 7th, 2006
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Dude, I don't know why you guys are bashing this, it's funny as hell. I mean, a CREATIONIST accusing an EVOLUTIONIST of blindly believing what a book says? Come on, whether whetstone is joking or not, this is comedic gold.
September 7th, 2006
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God is a creation of Man. (Not the other way around.)
September 7th, 2006
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Although I agree, this YTMND is poor quality like the original.
September 7th, 2006
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No, wrong, try again.
September 7th, 2006
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EVOLUTION. DOES. NOT. DISPROVE. THE. EXISTENCE. OF. GOD.
September 7th, 2006
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Nyax is right, this is funny. But not for the intended reason.
September 7th, 2006
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two words: antibiotic-resistant bacteria.
September 7th, 2006
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lol
September 7th, 2006
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Evolutionary textbooks are right because they contain facts and data gathered by scientists that prove evolution.
September 7th, 2006
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We know Evolution to be true because of the Myriad Fossil Evidence dating back Millions of years, laying out how life has become what it is today. We Don't rely on a Bookm written by a Bunch of F*cking Bronze age cavemen sitting around trying to guess the age of life, the universe, and everything. We don't blindly accept a book not even written by the religion's phophet/messiah as absolute truth, a book that constantly contradicts itself and is so anachronistic that it's a wonder any sane people still take
September 7th, 2006
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it as the word of God. And to think the person who made this was intelligent enough to make the Wonderfully thought out, but stll flawed "Why God exists".
September 7th, 2006
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Add PTKFGS for a serious 5.
September 7th, 2006
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And As Da-Vinci, and probably countless others said: "God is a creation of Man. (Not the other way around.)" But at least you're not a Scientologist.
September 7th, 2006
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Dear faithful Christians, Get the f*ck out of our humor site, we don't give a sh*t what you think and don't intend to change our beliefs based on a stupid YTMND that irritated us for less than 10 seconds. Please die and rot in the ground like the rest of us. Thanks ^_^
September 7th, 2006
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evolutionary science is right because it is supposrted by facts and data not speculation and belief
September 7th, 2006
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Ripped off and retarded.
September 7th, 2006
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I have nothing to add to what others have said, other than: 'OMFG U SUXX0RZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
September 7th, 2006
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I'm going to express my opposition to this straw-man argument, through ART!
September 7th, 2006
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Anyone arguing anything from authoritarian text is an idiot. You can doubt evolutionary science as much as anything else, but like the bible its something which has to be analyzed to be questioned understood, or rejected appropriately. That being said, more observation has been done supporting evolution than confirming any of the more abstract concepts of the bible. This might simply be becuase science is based on questioning whereas religion is based on faith. I think it has more to do with application
September 7th, 2006
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lol, 'intelligent design'
September 7th, 2006
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Quite simply, the scientific method, although prone to error and not certain, has given us more technology and innovation than adherence to claims made in the bible.
September 7th, 2006
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Yeah, it's not like evolution is common sense that can be seen anywhere in real life. It can't be seen in selective breeding of dogs, horses and cows. And certainly not in viruses developing immunity to antibodies. *cough*
September 7th, 2006
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Are you satirizing yourself?
September 7th, 2006
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No I'm satirizing the original listed in my description.
September 7th, 2006
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ok 5'd and FAV'd
September 7th, 2006
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This gets... a failing mark!
September 7th, 2006
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lol, noob. you can back up evolution with scientific observation. someone just made god up. thats why i believe evolution and not god.
September 7th, 2006
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'Tis not circular. AND Evolutionary textbooks are backed up with facts. What is the Bible backed up with? Tell me please.
September 7th, 2006
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It IS circular, but ideally you would never catch any real educated person arguing like this. They would argue from the contents of the book and the logic used to obtain said contents, not from the fact it is a book or from who it was written by.
September 7th, 2006
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"My friend do you realize evolutionary theory has undergone some SERIOUS overhauls in the past 100 years?" Um, my friend, do you realize the definition of God has gone under SERIOUS overhaul in the past 6 millenia? Does he hate homosexuality or is he infinitely loving? Do we have to hate everything or love everything to get into heaven? Do we all go to hell because we aren't perfect or does he forgive everyone for the most heinous crimes? You must realize that nobody supports evolution in this manner
September 7th, 2006
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"Do you still believe in Santa too?" He's just as real as your God, right? I think a fat white guy that slinks down chimneys and steals your cookies while leaving behind tube-sock calling cards is a lot more plausible than some hypocritical diety that claims to exist because he's better than logic.
September 7th, 2006
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It's funny because its pissing everyone off
September 7th, 2006
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1'd for trying to start a religious war on YTMND.
September 7th, 2006
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Wow, just... wow. Claiming that faith is on the same level of factual validity as thoroughly researched scientific theory is the height of arrogence. I've said it before, but faith CANNOT be backed up by logic, reasearch, or any sort of fact. That's why it's FAITH. If you can't accept this basic fact about your own religion, then maybe you need to reconsider you're choice of faith.
September 7th, 2006
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Damn, said you're when I should have said your.
September 7th, 2006
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stop trolling
September 7th, 2006
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I love how christians think they can turn ANY argument around and apply to their beliefs, wether it makes sense or not. Evolution isn't based on blind faith, it's based on facts.
September 7th, 2006
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This is not what we expect "you" to believe. Perhaps if you had read the f*cking textbook you might understand evolution and the evidence behind it. Fossils, DNA testing, simularity in animal bone structures, adaptation to one's environment dont mean anything? Naaa just look to the ancient good ole book that has no evidence at all. You're a stupid f*ckmonkey.
September 7th, 2006
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GOD IS DEAD AND NO ONE CARES!!!
September 7th, 2006
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whetstone: "You don't sound like the critical type. Do you still believe in Santa too?" -LOL, do you still believe in God?
September 7th, 2006
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I'm a Christian, but I'm also a a sensible person and I'm telling you, this is the worst retort you could've made. Stop this back and forth crap, especially if you can't come up with a well-conceived argument; it makes all us other Christians look bad.
September 7th, 2006
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Empirical Evidence > Faith Science: The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena. Faith: belief that is not based on proof
September 8th, 2006
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I love how people get so riled up about Whetstone.
September 8th, 2006
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You know what? YTMND is a terrible, terrible, terrible forum for debating evolution. You basically stole someones idea completely, which is OK, except for that you sucked the funny out of it. 1 star for you.
September 8th, 2006
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I think that guy has come to my door. also looks like my 9th grade geo teacher.
September 8th, 2006
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Additionally: it's a shame that you and your ilk think so little of God that you would expect him to take the easy way out when making the universe. Heck - you don't even think He can master simple metaphors!
September 8th, 2006
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Except that evolutionary science is SCIENCE -- whether you blindly believe it is a personal decision and may lack merit -- but it can be tested. OMG JEBUS MADE TEH ERTH is not science, in cannot be tested, and blind faith in it is absolutely pointless.
September 8th, 2006
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Its not about faith in eveolution, its about facts. PS this didn't make me emote, hence the zero.
September 8th, 2006
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Faith and Reason cannot contradict.
September 8th, 2006
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Try the fossil record you f*cking retard. It's only been around like, millions of years
September 8th, 2006
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Now you're just getting retarded. we know evolutionary science is correct because it can be tested. You can personally go out and collect data if you had half a mind to.
September 8th, 2006
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http://godhasmore.ytmnd.com/
September 8th, 2006
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If yer gonna attack evolutionists for circular reasoning, use this: Well, we can tell how old fossils are by what kind of rock they are in. And how do u know how old the rock layer is? By the type of fossils that are in it. lame.
September 8th, 2006
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Just because you failed Biology in High School doesn't mean you should post YTMND's like this
September 8th, 2006
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...And you were doing so well at first. Evolutionists expect you to examine the EVIDENCE for yourself and make a FACTUAL choice, not a blind one.
September 8th, 2006
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Evolution exists. It may have undergone some "overhauls" but the theory is the same in principle, and you can see it in modern species. It's not so much of a theory as it is a fact. While the theory is good enough, modern DNA testing has proved this.
September 8th, 2006
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This is, in fact circular reasoning. Many people do, in fact, incorrectly ascribe to this line of reasoning. If you believe Kierkegaard, however, reasoning is the way to reach conclusions on the soundness of evolution while reasoning cannot and should not prove the soundness of Christian beliefs.
September 8th, 2006
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lol fossil records, lol carbon dating lol genetic code comparison. Just because ONE f*cking thing in the Bible is wrong doesn't mean it's a faulty document. wake up, man.
September 8th, 2006
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You can believe in god and believe in science, it justs takes some creativity... in fact it can be creative enough that you can't deny it scientifically. But you can still prove the science stuff, because science roxors my boxors. Science is going to save our asses.
September 8th, 2006
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Oh... my... God. I just thought of this discussion: "Well how do you know religion is right?" "Because I read it in a dogmatic scripture. And dogmatic scriptures are right." "Why should I trust dogmatic scriptures?" "Because it was written by religious people!" Trust me... what I said right now is no less circular than what you're saying.
September 8th, 2006
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Whetstone, I have come to the conclusion that you are a complete moron.
September 8th, 2006
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+1 for you trying to understand circular reasoning. -4 for complete disregard of scientific evidence.
September 8th, 2006
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Because there's empirical evidence PROVING it's correct. Not stupid bullsh*t.
September 8th, 2006
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ROFL I hate this guy so much. Do not place science on the same level as religion you f*cking f*ggot. Science takes alot of hard work. Religion is some bull sh*t excuse to control people. F*ck you. Also, one.
September 8th, 2006
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What you mean is, he knows evolution is right because it undergoes rigerous scientific review and there has never been any evidence to contradice the theory of evolution. Nice try.
September 8th, 2006
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The universe is shaped exactly like the earth, if you go straight long enough you'll end up where you were. The universe is shaped exactly like the earth, if you go straight long enough you'll end up where you were. The universe is shaped exactly like the earth, if you go straight long enough you'll end up where you were.The universe is shaped exactly like the earth, if you go straight long enough you'll end up where you were. The universe is shaped exactly like the earth, if you go straight long enough you'll end up where you were.
September 9th, 2006
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I appreciate the effort, but... this warrnts a 3 at best.
September 9th, 2006
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when the f*ck have you ever seen such an argument? In a retarded scientist's gathering?
September 9th, 2006
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EVOLUTION. DOES. NOT. DISPROVE. THE. EXISTENCE. OF. GOD.
September 9th, 2006
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You're doing a disservice to your faith.
September 11th, 2006
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do not believe anything that you can't verify through experiment and/or axiomatic set theory. simple as that. for the record, whenever I bash, and shame, and put Christians like you in your place, I do not recall even once quoting any evolutionists besides myself.
September 11th, 2006
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September 11th, 2006
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September 11th, 2006
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September 11th, 2006
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September 15th, 2006
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Yes... the only evidence for evolution come from one text book. You lose.
September 15th, 2006
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It's funny how you believe that every atheist is an evolutionist.
September 16th, 2006
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I hope you get marooned on a desert island with nothing but a potato sack and a revolver with one bullet left. Then see what god does for you, you dity right-wing conservatist @*#&faced son of a b*tch.
September 19th, 2006
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I hate how the concept of any spiritual god is conjoined with you fanatical zealot christians, evolution and a god theory can be together, just not in Christianity's version of god. But science is based on knowledge and testing, religion is based on claims without proof and refusal to change. Poland likes science over religion. POLAND 1!
September 20th, 2006
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I could make an identical ytmnd, just put in priest instead of scientist and bible instead of textbook. But I wont, because it would be equally stupid.
September 21st, 2006
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im sure all the dinosaur bones that ive seen dont count.....
September 21st, 2006
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Scientific. Method.
September 22nd, 2006
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Whet knows how I feel, But for the Rest of you: Christianity is a religion. Religion is based on belief. If you believe God created everything, then that's gr00vy. I do not belive god created everything, and I don't take kindly to anyone that would try to force me to believe (not a veiled attack). The point I take from this site is "Don't use circular reasoning to say that something is right or wrong."
September 23rd, 2006
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Whetstone is offically the stupidest person ever.
September 23rd, 2006
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AHAHAHAHAHHA MAX PWNED ALL YOUR SITES XD
September 23rd, 2006
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Bad copy + fanatism.
September 23rd, 2006
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The thing is, if your logic and arguments werent so horrible messed up, a discussion of religion might be possible. Unfortunatly, your "arguments" are simplified and devoid of actual information. I assume that in rl, you surround yourself with christian friends who all agree with you, since its obvious you`ve never before had any experience discussing with people who doesnt agree with you. I honestly believe that all my christian friends would shake their heads when they see what an incredibly misguided and ignorant attempt you are making to "enlighten" people about your belief.
September 23rd, 2006
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you fail, please try again ^_^
September 23rd, 2006
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anyone could say "well, christians rely on the bible to affirm the existence of god. they say that the bible has to be an accurate account of the nature of the universe becase it's the word of god. christians employ the worst kind of circular reasoning when they use god and the bible to authenticate and support each other." sorry if someone else posted something like that. i'm not reading all of the comments
September 23rd, 2006
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those silly atheists
September 23rd, 2006
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Dinosaurs.
September 23rd, 2006
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"To the downvoters- feel free to tell me that this is not what evolutionists expect us to believe?" Ok, 'evolutionists' do NOT expect you to believe based upon their say so. Indeed, scientists encourage independant investigation and challenges to their hypotheses. If you had actually bothered to inform yourself about evolutionary science, you would know this.
September 23rd, 2006
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TOO MUCH JESUS, NOT ENOUGH C*CKS!!!
September 23rd, 2006
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It's actually the other way around, with your stupid bible and faith having the circular reasoning. It's completely ironic how you are defending your circular reasoning by making it seem Evolution uses circular reasoning. Only retards would respond that way that guy was doing in the ytmnd. Evolution has never had circular reasoning, it actually makes sense, has evidence, and it is actually observable (adaptation anyone?)
September 23rd, 2006
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Or how the conversation would actually go. "Because there's actual evidence. Unlike christianity. Jesus likes it in the ass" "Oh ok"
September 23rd, 2006
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg Watch it. Breaks down all the ID bullsh*t, and gives concreate evidence of evolution. The difference between ID and Evolution, is that evolution has been tested over and over again in labratories, by countless academics around the world. Show me one scientific study proving ID, and I'll take back saying its bullsh*t.
September 23rd, 2006
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I dunno, maybe because... the evidence can be checked out by yourself should you desire it? No one hiding the evidence from you; forcing you to rely on someone else's statement.
September 23rd, 2006
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Have you taken a single biology course ever...or have you just taken religious/creationist classes... Here's my own dialogue: "Why do you believe in the Bible? Because God said it. And how do you know God said it? Because it says so in the Bible." Good work pointing out how impossibly ironic you can be.
September 24th, 2006
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Haha, WTF?!?!? And why should I trust Whetstone? Because Whetstone is a f*g. And why is Whetstone a f*g? Because he's magic.
September 24th, 2006
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Actually I should say because we have actual proof that Whetstone is a f*g, right here. Not based on some book.
September 24th, 2006
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http://www.asa3.org/aSA/resources/Wiens.html
September 24th, 2006
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http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/ 29 proofs of evolution, just because you beleive in God doesn't mean you can't believe in science too
September 24th, 2006
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http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/articles/5025_statements_from_religious_orga_12_19_2002.asp You don't speak for Christians in the least bit...even the Pope has reconciled faith and evolution
September 24th, 2006
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evolutionary theory -> the result of research and decades of study. creationism -> lol God gave us reason; use it.
September 24th, 2006
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You are a Hero among men.
September 24th, 2006
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blah, blah, blah, every god damn religion, practice, belief, and idea can be summed up like that. "Why should I believe Christianity?" "Because Christians wrote it" "How do you know Christians are right".... same with every religion, this fails for its hypocricy
September 24th, 2006
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ugh...please...you can use the same argument about the bible
September 24th, 2006
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too bad evolutionary textbooks present it as a theory where as a bible presents it as fact.
September 24th, 2006
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" too bad evolutionary textbooks present it as a theory where as a bible presents it as fact." I SERIOUSLY hope you are not responding to my last comment...I will rebut you so face your face will melt
September 24th, 2006
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btw this argument that whet is using is called a "straw man" falsity used by people who will present a weaker version of an opponent's argument then refute it then declare victory
September 24th, 2006
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at any rate, it's not like the only two possible options are creationism and evolutionary science. there is a grey area. current theories on evolutions are founded on some facts and some speculation, mixed with a lot of logical reasoning. evolutionary theory as we know it today might turn out to be a very sketchy version of what we will find out, in the future, to be a more accurate theory. at one time the Earth was the center of the universe... then it was the sun. we all know now, it is actually neither.
September 25th, 2006
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you're really stupid. The difference between the bible and evolution is that there's actual evidence for evolution. Representing someone who doesn't know what they're talking about does not show that evolution is baseless. But let's sacrifice the education of the children so we can present them with creation science! (aka, christian propaganda, aka bullsh*t).
September 25th, 2006
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Please whetstone, no more f*cking christian ytmnds. we are all so sick of christanity.
September 25th, 2006
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After sitting through http://criesoftheinfidels.ytmnd.com/ I feel the urge to downvote all of your sh*t. Please die.
September 26th, 2006
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Whetstone, is the only thing you're good at is spreading religious dogma across YTMND? The only reason any of your garbage got noticed is because you and your chums sponsored some of your YTMNDs so you can get on the front page. Please cut the sh*t while you're sponsorship is still ahead of the rat race and call it a day.
September 26th, 2006
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how bout this. Why should I trust your little bible that says the f*cking earth is flat (which is a blatent lie)
September 26th, 2006
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First of all, it's from science: the people who brought us the microwave oven, the automobile, and the space mission. These guys have a track record. Seriously, though, go read "http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-misconceptions.html#proof" for reasons as to why a vast majority of biologists are convinced.
September 27th, 2006
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Wow, what do you know, more preaching on YTMND. 1.
September 27th, 2006
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Whetstone P0wned: http://whetstonep0wned.ytmnd.com/
September 27th, 2006
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"My friend do you realize evolutionary theory has undergone some SERIOUS overhauls in the past 100 years?" I've seen these apparent 'overhauls' that Christians claim lower the credibility of evolution. They include things like "Well, we recently discovered that animals actually evolve(d) at a faster pace than we previously believed." In other words, scientists make a modest hypothesis, test it, and find out that the answer is a lot more surprising than they expected.
September 27th, 2006
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Blind faith is just another form of blind ignorance. If anything can be said about the theory of evolution, it's that its followers accept new information, even if it might slightly contradict previous information. In this way, the theory is more credible than the Bible as it actually builds upon itself. The Bible and its supporters say "This is how it is, nothing is wrong, and if you say so, you're going to hell." Not how it works with evolution.
September 27th, 2006
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"You don't sound like the critical type. Do you still believe in Santa too?" Psychological projection is a defence mechanism in which one attributes to others, one’s own unacceptable or unwanted thoughts or/and emotions.
September 27th, 2006
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
September 27th, 2006
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People like you are the reason why the world laughs at the United States.
September 27th, 2006
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lollerskates. Evolution is science, religion is faith, they're completely different.
September 27th, 2006
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"Hard Evolutionary Facts?! My friend do you realize evolutionary theory has undergone some SERIOUS overhauls in the past 100 years?" Actually, the theory of evolution has been improved, not overhauled. Being modified often is actually a sign of good scientific theory, not bad. Science, unlike religion, neither needs to nor claims to know everything. mDNA is the only evidence I need for evolution.
September 27th, 2006
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A theory that's been worked on by observing basic principles and finding an explanation for them obviously makes less sense than inventing an explanation then writing stories to demonstrat its basic principles.
September 28th, 2006
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This does not deliver...
September 28th, 2006
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Evolutionnists expect you to believe that a retarded 1 legged crab that's on fire and attracted to its predators has lesser chances of transmitting its genes than a normal crab. 3'd, because unfortunately, a lot of people support evolutionnism in the way you showed. They think it's true because someone told them it is.
September 28th, 2006
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There is actual evidence supporting evolutionary theory - it's called the fossil record. And two phenomena - micro-evolution and natural selection - have been observed and demonstrated. This makes your argument a complete strawman. If you had the courage of your faith, you wouldn't have to present false arguments to support it.
September 28th, 2006
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The use of stupid, circular logic must be halted. Therefore, both creationists and evolutionists must be slaughtered.
September 28th, 2006
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Sorry but smart people don't think about evolution the same way you think about the bible.
September 28th, 2006
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Time to gtfo, I think so
September 28th, 2006
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O RLY?
September 29th, 2006
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Now you may find it inconceivable or at the very least a bit unlikely that the relative position of the planets and the stars could have a special deep significance or meaning that exclusively applies to only you, but let me give you my assurance that these forcasts and predictions are all based on solid, scientific, documented evidence, so you would have to be some kind of moron not to reaize that every single one of the is absolutely true.
September 29th, 2006
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Here is where I have to say that I believe that God would have given its creations the ability to fend for themselves and survive. Science has found proof of evolution. If God plopped us on the planet as we were we would have no way to survive any change. God seems to keep its powers to smaller scale events, like giving visions to man. It is up to evolution and man's God given free will to find a way to survive. However, I agree that we should not subscribe to anything just because people say it is so.
September 29th, 2006
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"My friend do you realize evolutionary theory has undergone some SERIOUS overhauls in the past 100 years?" You see, unlike the bible, science allows space for revision. There is data always being collected and with more data we get new ideas and revisions of past ones. Sure, the pieces of the puzzle aren't all there and probably won't be; however, just because it's not complete doesn't mean it should be disregarded. Science doesn't require faith, it just requires your eyes.
September 29th, 2006
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lol whetstone beatdown FTW! Also, lack of whetstone response FTL!
September 29th, 2006
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Well I'm not going to bother with serious responses when the YTMND wasn't really that serious to begin with. People just can't take a joke- that's all.
September 29th, 2006
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haha such garbage
September 29th, 2006
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Wow! Because you can't say the same thing about the Bible!
September 29th, 2006
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3 because you make a good point. However I'm not a creationist so I don't entirely agree, and in my school (maybe it's just here) we discuss many theories about how the world and it's beings came to be, including creationism.
September 30th, 2006
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Remember kids, the bible was written by the same people who thought the Earth was round.
September 30th, 2006
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lol whetstone your a jackass. creationism is total circular reasoning. how was the earth formed? god made it. how do you know? god tells us so. f*cking owned.
September 30th, 2006
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Are you f*cking kidding me. You, sir, are so blind that you can't even understand why some people can believe in evolution or anything that doesn't involve the divine God. Not only that, but you then make a horribly biased site to attempt to justify your views. The theory of evolution is backed with hard facts, and people like the stereotype on your site are idiots. A theory is not defined by the people who choose to blindly follow it, it is defined by those who follow it because they understand it.
September 30th, 2006
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just like we should all believe the bible. based on the fact that the bible tells us to. And that the bible is right because it says it is. And the the proof of the bible being right is the bibles existence. Great jorb!
September 30th, 2006
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GO have sex with the bible you ignorant f*cktard, you fear evolution because its proof against your precious religion/god and you dont know how to live without that crappy faith. Wussy
October 1st, 2006
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you're such a f*cking idiot, Peterguy sponsors you
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