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Its not that I don't want to see the featured user section on the front page, its just that the featured user section has divided the users on this site and given an unfair advantage to users selected to be on the list. I know about customizing the front page for myself, do you think I'm ignorant or something? It was a great idea to highlight users who normally submit favorable content based on their sites ratings, but it has gotten ridiculous since the algorithm was put out of place. It needs to go.

wow SHOUTOUTS plus TMND at the end, wow, funny. hey guess what? im better than you. my dick is bigger and harier. you seem to be all into this online community of f*ck. i bet you'll screencap these messages and make a site out of them too. but hey, in the world of photoshop one can always claim "the person made that screencap f*ck em its not me" well hey again, F*CK YOU and you can never prove im really jamesROLFE the NERD and you ant deal with the fact that i have a HUGE f*cking fan base and that i KNOW ALL MY SH*T WITH THE GAMES and im not doing this cuz im drink so go pray, prairiedogeric10.

Reading about max's problems with social anxiety and alcohol abuse suddenly gives me a craving for some kind of corn-based snack with artificial cheese flavoring... huh.

Actually, the general definition for a depression is that scammers have run out of people to scam. They have destroyed their sucker base. Similar to when a leech kills its host and is now screwed because they don't have anything to feed off of anymore.

max - as far as the t-shirts go, how are we going to do this so that ytmnd gets the bulk of the money? I mean cafepress and other sites make it very easy to design the shirts but once they are on there they get most of the profit. I would have no problem getting a team of people together to design shirts based around ytmnd and all that but the transfer of funds is where I get lost. Any thoughts?

Yes, exploit your fan base! I think you could sell off these YTMND's as ads as well. Infact, make YTMND an ad agency and watch the money roll.

Well, you can't really hate someone you don't know, so yeah. I just said the word hate because when you are annoyed by someone else's existence on the internet, it is the closest thing you'll get to it. I try to be different and I get branded an unfunny f*g. Such as life. There are plenty of "funny stuff" already, so I don't feel that there is a need for more of that from me, very often. I want to break the mold, and be creative. The majority of ytmnd has got that base covered. Also, I'm 21.

Does anybody else find it weird that ExxonMobil only spams Moon man sites? I'd think he'd try to control the f*ggy featured user market but instead he's in the Moon man market. Does that mean that YTMND's economy is based off Moon man?

The design isn't really based on The Back Room, is it?

based on famous character limits which took--actually took place in ancient japan

you can't judge a website by its exponentially diminishing user base

You Can't Judge A Book By Its Cover posted by max on 2009-04-22 13:54:53 Hello buds, A good deal of exciting news on the forefront. First up is that after months of bugging the company who makes the software which turns our GIFs into SWF, they sent us the C++ source code for the GIF portion of the code and davidc managed to track down the bug. Now we're just waiting for them to send us a new version of the binary and we'll be ready to do another test. A little more about this at YTMND Development Blog. You can also view the source code of the new flash template here. Next up is that the refactor is now being worked on at least 30 hours a week. We have the new design for YTMND.com. I've spent the last few months slowly rewriting all of the core libraries where needed and the dev site is beginning to come together. It's coming. I know I'm guilty of prematurely announcing features, and I don't want you all too excited. It's still probably a couple months off, as this is a rewrite of 90% of YTMND's code base, as well as a 100% rewrite of the HTML and Javascript. So much of what currently runs YTMND was written in 2004 and 2005, and I've learned a lot since then. I'll try to update the dev blog frequently about what I'm working on and the progress. At some point in the future people will be needed to beta test the new site, as everything down to the login system has been completely rewritten. I just got the new designs last week so I've been chopping them up. I know you all want a peek, but be patient my prettys. T-shirts are still coming in, but this week I'm sending off some designs to the printer to do some test prints and see which designs end up looking good and which will fall apart after a few runs through the washer. I've got an actual third party on the store, so this time around things should be more organized. I'll post more information sometime next week on what designs we chose.

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Yeah, it's been pretty much obvious the DS is based off the design of those old Game-n-Watches. I thought it was, anyway.

I liked Home Depotmnd. The Hot Topic wallpaper is too busy. Needs more minimalist so that I can tell what's going on. However, I still love max for making my favorite website, and I still have an unexplained affection for gr33nscr33n that is probably based on all his comments.

That would be a nice idea to limit the number of sites per day, but I'm having a little problem with the account creation based on IP. If I restart my modem, I get a brand new address (at least where I live) so that would be quite useless.<br />Regarding avatars, that would be great, even though in all these years I've been used to recognize the users by their names, my memory automatically links their behaviour and the sites they make. I'm saying that would be a little confusing to have avatars because we would be automatically bound to recognize users by their picture; since avatars are editable, users who don't have a wide and precise attention to the screen and all their elements (username, avatar, comments and replies) would be confused. I know I'm not very clear about it, but I can't even explain it well in my own language too.

The oldest issue with ytmnd is that Max never took his baby really seriously. He's been running this site himself the entire span of its existence and could never keep up with the demands of the userbase, so they left. Instead of doing what any sensible person would do and turn ytmnd into a business and hiring people to keep up with demands and evolve the site and design, he insisted on keeping it completely static and self-contained within the community, only pushing to make vague promises of small incremental improvements based on a trickle of echo chamber demands (and even then he ignored some of that and made whatever you want to call YTMND 2.0). Max has never aggressively pushing for relevance, despite the clear opportunity to do so starting in mid 2006, ytmnd's peak, and that is why ytmnd has become the garbage heap of the internet instead of a viable alternative to other user-based media sites. Other sites grew up, and ytmnd festered and rot.

[i]really???[/i] i thought it was always obvious that ytmnd's user base is a remarkable, untapped source of creativity. like a living, breathing foolproof get-rich-quick scheme. maybe these "advertisers" didn't see any of our dvd rips with pop culture reference head pastes.

They predict your vote, based on how you voted on sites with certain keywords...something like that.

FYI, the "All Time YTMND Hits" are based purely on vote statistics. If you downvote YTMNDs you don't like, they will be knocked off the list. Alternatively, continue to blame me for bad users upvoting bad content.

The way I see it is that YTMND is being run into the ground by a destructive feedback loop of doubt, frustration, angst, incompetence, apathy, disgust, and a natural loss of interest. Users have been leaving since the beginning of ytmnd's existence, but its produced only a gradual unnoticeable decline for the first couple years because the user base was quite high when ytmnd's quality was first put into doubt, not to mention that ytmnd saw enough growth to balance out user loss. As soon as ytmnd was cut off from its major supply of new users (I'm not sure what that was), it was already in permanent decay. I kind of visualize ytmnd's community history as a parabola that has fed its own decline exponentially. One cause and effect scenario being: the more people make shitty sites, the more people leave, the more people leave, the more people stop caring, the more people stop caring, the more people make shitty sites, etc. Also, there are plenty of specific cases where users only stayed because certain users made sites, so one small event could have triggered a mass abandonment, if that user was popular. I'm guessing this happened with users like mastersitsu, but I wasn't really involved in that subset of the community back then, so I can't be sure. In addition, there was demographic change when the scene from the movie 300 became a fad. I guess a lot of users felt alienated by its popularity, and decided ytmnd was no longer the place for them, because something about ytmnd felt different after that, though I still enjoyed it. Personally the spamming and quasi-popularity of moon man sites has put me off considerably. And yet, I persist.

Max, I thought you were going to keep the Minecraft server up, but from what you said I will lose the opportunity to meet people there, people who even use this website. For example, yesterday I was very excited when I found out that a YTMND user was in the world. I wanted to talk to him and play with him a little bit. I'm new at Minecraft so everything about it looks new and beautiful, especially the fact that I can interact with real people. Of course, there's always the real world but it's my choice if I want to go and play in a virtual world. Besides, I'm most probably the only Italian active user here and I bet most of you live in the States, in any case far from that shithole that is Italy, and I wanted to see what is like to play with one of you, without having my words dismissed in an indistinguishable cloud of forced unfunny jokes and pitiful self promotion. I think it's acceptable here to have this behaviour, we can all be characters here. But in Minecraft, how much does a fake and shady "personality" last? In the 3D world you are more human than in a webpage.<br />The impending closure of that Minecraft server will make me reflect about the importance of the real world not based on a computer. There's no switch off for the Universe.

Max,<br /><br />You repeatedly ignore the concept of informing your user base of goings on with the site. A user base that is the sole source of content for your site.<br /><br />Hardware failures happen. Only gross negligence can lead to backups failing as well. But I digress...<br /><br />You have missed yet another opportunity in this latest post to correct/clarify/inform your user base regarding your previous post. You know, the one from Nov.05, 2010?...the one where you mentioned actual improvements to the site as well as additional accountability for it's users in the from of additional mods and "moderating with an iron fist"...<br /><br />I would like to hit you.

YTMND user base may be shrinking but the remain users are getting more and more intense.

1.) What exactly do you think moderation will do? All moderators could do in the past is mark sites NSFW. What exactly is so rampantly ruining the site that requires intervention?<br /><br />2.) This has been discussed at length both in news posts and on the wiki. I don't want to get into the game of using the behavior of a user, their voting habits, or anything else to change the value of votes. A vote is a vote, and that isn't going to change.<br /><br />3 + 4) This is something we've discussed in the past as well, but it ultimately punishes new members of the site much more than it would stop alt-voting. Using a time-based gating system would just get people to plan out alts and using an activity-based gating system would end up spamming the site. The easiest way to remove incentive for making alts is by deleting the main accounts of people who make alts to vote, which we've been doing.

"you troll other users that don't fit into your narrow perception of how ytmnd should be."<br /><br />Right after saying <br /><br />"Crappy and offensive content ruins the site."<br /><br />What's "crappy and offensive" to you might be hilarious and amusing to others, and what's good to you might be crappy and offensive to others. I find 99% of Fourest and Fearcondom's sites to be crappy and offensive, but I still think they should have the right to make them.<br /><br />If someone wants to make lame artfag sites, whatever, I don't have to like them but they don't have to stop making them. Similarly, if someone wants to make 10,000 identical square wave/ear rape/naked cartoon character sites, whatever, live and let live. I don't even particularly care for those kinds of sites (for example the AAAAAAAAAAA wrestler scream sites, they were all the same, I thought they were funny at first and even later on I would upvote one if I thought it had a funny title or something, but I mostly just ignored them).<br /><br />Let people make whatever damn sites they want, is what I'm saying. No one has the right to decide which sites are "good" or "bad", it's all based on how they personally are received by each individual.

You need to extend the length of reply chains. I was not finished and must now continue my writings in this comment which is unchained to my previous ones.<br /><br />Anyway, let us return to the point of my first post on this news update. Everyone should stop worrying about YTMND's current state and just make some quality sites. I have no idea how you could possibly discern from my post that deleting sites and users was a good idea, as the point of my first post expressed exactly the opposite view. We are very different people, me and you max. You are a jew, I am superior being, you like getting drunk and counting silver shekels, and I like to make websites better with awesome Moon man materials. But, at the end of the day, we are similar in a very important way. We both share an intense affection for this website. We both share an interest in keeping this website's quality high, and we can both become rather upset when we glance upon the lower-quality parts of it. In this emotional state, we both can make some foolish decisions. These decisions have far reaching consequences for those around us. Like it or not, bad quality and good quality exist, and must forever exist, in a yin and yang like state on this website. There is nothing we can do to change it. <br /><br />I'm not going to go in depth on why Moon man and his Moon Crew are not bad entities, and how they are not hurting this website. I already discussed that in a private message with you. The Moon Crew YTMND users are simply another part of YTMND, just as you are max. You created YTMND, but you can not control every facet of it, and even if you could, you should not. Your attempts to totally control YTMND and its types of content will ultimately harm YTMND. If YTMND is hurt because of reckless actions -- such as deleting other parts of YTMND -- based on inaccurate assumptions, then you will suffer just as much as we will, because we are both parts of this website.

So max, why do you still keep this site up? It can't be for the money. This site gets maybe hit by like 1k people a day at best. You obviously hate the user base here. You update the news and the contests at a rate of like once a year. That shows a bit of contempt. I can't say that I blame you. This site had the potential to become something great. A place where people could express themselves freely in any way they want without any censorship regardless of the content. Instead it turned into a cestpool of the lowest forms of scum on the internet. I guess that says something about humanity or something. It looks like the experiment failed. I say just shut it down. Right now all it is, is an unfunny legal liability for you.

Dude, seriously, I've dealt with the EPA in my real life occupation and that's as personal as I'm going to get here - they simply don't do their jobs. At all. Same goes across the whole sector - that's why we privatize everything.<br /><br />I actually agree with your overall point that hand-waving arguments about big government are stupid, because yes, someone needs to build infrastructure and that role needs to be done by the government. The problem in the U.S. is that the government sector consists of two types of people:<br />-Slow, unambitious people that couldn't compete in the private sector (about 90%).<br />-Overly ambitious people with political goals who have no concern for the job they are doing, only using it as a two-year stepping stone to get their foot in the door (about 10%).<br /><br />The former is mostly bureaucratic asshats that just do the bare minimum to keep their 35-hours-a-week job and that's all they want in life. The latter is mostly lawyers. Either way, you have massive incompetence filling the lower-to-middle eschelons of the biggest consumer in the U.S. In many countries, getting a government job is seen as highly desirable - the top graduates from the top universities tend to go to government jobs because of prestige and competitive pay. Here, govt. work is seen as something "for the slow people".<br /><br />Okay, you brought up the EPA. Let's say you graduated from a top engineering school like Stanford or MIT with a degree in environmental engineering - state DEP agencies (which do most of the actual environmental protection work) pay about $20k on average. The big firms pay about $85k. You worked hard to get where you are - which job would you take?<br /><br />Yeah yeah government mandates are based upon public good - but their INTENT is not the question on either side. The problem is they simply don't perform. Okay seriousness over, national policy is not decided on YTMND so it's pointless to delve into this here.

I don't necessarily disagree with any of that. We're sort of saying the same thing from two different directions - the intent of the organization is good. Their execution of that intent sucks shit. You can't evaluate a political individual, let alone an entire organization, based solely on their mandate.<br /><br />Most of the actual day-to-day work in environmental protection is done by state agencies. Like most federal agencies in the US, they direct where the money goes and get involved in research, so it's not really fair to evaluate their performance so much as it is to evaluate the state agencies under it...and, well, my most recent experience was in Texas. A TCEQ regulator who had jurisdiction over a rather dangerous industrial plant was fooled for three years by an inspection form that had been done once and signed 4 years ago instead of weekly like it was supposed to be, and then had the date changed with White-Out. Once every few months, he'd come around and the plant environmental manager (on parole for manslaughter) would take him out for margaritas before he would start the tour. I'm not joking or exaggerating, I wish I was.<br /><br />Oh, and in Texas, there's no zoning. This plant was surrounded on all sides by low-income housing, and they had enough barrels of toxic heavy metals to qualify as a chemical weapons depot that would have made Saddam Hussein a happy man.<br /><br />So yeah, I've been plenty of places where the rivers look like coffee and the USA isn't one (anymore), but that doesn't mean the govt. has its shit together either. We're too busy importing people with technical skills to do the shit we forgot how to do while our law schools churn out more lawyers than have ever been in one country in human history on our great national Race to the Bottom.<br /><br />Damn this thread got serious, what the hell.