YTMND vs. Ebaums, the facts (update)
Created on: July 25th, 2006
YTMND vs. Ebaums, the facts (update)
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July 25th, 2006
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I never flamed their forums :-p
July 25th, 2006
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Good
July 25th, 2006
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***** for levelheadedness and strategic thinking.
July 25th, 2006
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You win! You should've titled it "The Unfunny Truth about Copyright Infringment" though. :(
July 25th, 2006
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Yeah, 5'd for presenting the facts.
July 25th, 2006
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good, but kind of hipocritical huh. http://revengeonebaums.ytmnsfw.com/
July 25th, 2006
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4'd because I'd like to see evidence of how much ebaum is making. where did you get this $8,000 figure for the advertising?
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Yeah, I admit, I had my share of spamming but then I sat down and thought about it and it really is a dumb thing to do and I regret that i spammed so much.
July 25th, 2006
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5'd not only for making complete sense, but +10 for michaelwolfson
July 25th, 2006
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For great justice.
July 25th, 2006
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The voice of reason.
July 25th, 2006
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Very nicely, put. Wish we had more members like you.
July 25th, 2006
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nothing said here was particularly eye-opening..still waiting on the reference for that $8,000 figure...
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http://eacs.ebaumsworld.com/booking.php
July 25th, 2006
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You just gave me a really good idea, thanks.
July 25th, 2006
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gracias senor, (quick suggestion to go ahead and add that link to a frame), oh an 5
July 25th, 2006
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Nice work.
July 25th, 2006
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4'd for spelling errors.
July 25th, 2006
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5 for sense and logic.
July 25th, 2006
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get this up where the idiots can see it
July 25th, 2006
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555555
July 25th, 2006
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way to spread the trooth, braw!
July 25th, 2006
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it has nothing to do with money. it has to do with the fact that ebaum has a staff which is responsible for posting content and doing due diligence on verifying sources, ytmnd does not. also this is way too long and full of misinformation.
July 25th, 2006
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It's true that those conditions help in consideration of use of copyrighted material being protected as fair-use... but that's not air-tight protection by any means. Non-profits aren't strictly exempt, that's a common misconception. There's no agreement as to how little can be used cause it's all in these nebulous subjective terms. Fair-use for parody is also thin ice. Precedents in these cases are almost never conclusive - it comes down to who has the $$ to fight it out...
July 25th, 2006
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God, I just started to think about all that spamming I did a while back...
July 25th, 2006
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Can you name any YTMNDs with content stolen from Ebaums?
July 25th, 2006
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5 for "away way"!
July 25th, 2006
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trick question sorgrid! you cant steal content that is already stolen!
July 25th, 2006
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...with razor gator with my razor gator
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Someone needed to f*cking say it.
July 25th, 2006
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lawl. facts FTW
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And instead of getting something of the Cornell website you might want to look into the actual statutory construction of these terms in the different jurisdictions implicated in any alleged copyright infringement. Some general Contract Law page for first-year students isn't really valid information. But yes... spamming makes us all look like children and some of us are clearly old as sh*t.
July 25th, 2006
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word up
July 25th, 2006
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5 for truth. 5 again for max commenting.
July 25th, 2006
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So is anyone going to court against ebaums world? I mean is everyone who had content stolen all talk? I've just been wondering if it's just going to remain a childish internet war? I want to see some action, I want to search google news for ebaum and get hundreds of court cases against ebaums world you know? But I doubt anyone will bother, which is a shame....Anyway on this ytmnd, well said, someone had to say it 1,337 stars for you!
July 25th, 2006
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Thank you
July 25th, 2006
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f*cking brilliant.
July 25th, 2006
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bravo
July 25th, 2006
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1'd for lack of spelling. Spellcheck is in your future, son. Look into it. 1'd again because you clearly don't understand copyright laws overly well. Look into that even harder.
July 25th, 2006
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I never spammed their forums. NOTE TO EVERYONE: CITE SOURCES.
July 25th, 2006
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Interesting....
July 25th, 2006
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The people on Ebaumsworld insult us and such, and support such a site, so why are you saying that its not their fault?
July 25th, 2006
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Class Action FTW!
July 25th, 2006
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Not only do you win five stars for being an intelligent motherf*cker, you win five prostitutes. Use them well.
July 25th, 2006
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someone has made the point that some of the stuff he stole wasn't officially copyrighted. what is a good argument for that? just curious.
July 25th, 2006
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You've pointed out the facts. Alan Becker couldn't taken down ebaumsworld with a snap of the fingers, however...well I think we all know, but we can forgive mr. becker for the money. It is appearent that Mr.Bauman will possibly do anything to end a lawsuit against them with his victory.
July 25th, 2006
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Here's something ya need to do when a situration similar to Mr.Becker's happened to you. If ya ever go to sue mr.bauman, he might pay you alot of money to drop the charges, if he won't take it back, take it to the authoritys, the media, etc, so people will think he is bribing.
July 25th, 2006
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Then when come's the next day at court, simply give the money back to mr.bauman, use his own actions against him in court, and everyone at trail will know money can't buy everything. If he say's "I bought it fair and square", say "Did I say I would sell my 'Content' to you or anyone at all?", ???, Profit.
July 25th, 2006
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Thank you.
July 25th, 2006
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+2 for the message.
July 25th, 2006
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Jewing it to that stick?
July 25th, 2006
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you were kinda going around in circles towards the end there
July 25th, 2006
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http://gmanapproves.ytmnd.com/
July 25th, 2006
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you spelt "within" wrong when talking about where eBaums server is hosted.
July 25th, 2006
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Tighten up the spelling.
July 25th, 2006
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so get everyone to take them to court.
July 25th, 2006
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5 but take note that ebaum forum users are BIG f*ggots.
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I mostly agree with what you're doing, but by your logic Youtube is safe from being sued because they don't make any money.
July 25th, 2006
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Spamming is still cool though. But after remembering we could buy an adspace, I say YTMND diverts server funds for a month to buy an ad on the front page of eBaum, with a message of our choice. Good idea? Possibly.
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Oh, and you better believe Max wishes YTMND could turn into the next cash cow like Something Awful. You don't think he talked to Guy Kawasaki http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1591840562/guykawasakico-20/102-5179549-1318541 for fun do you?
July 25th, 2006
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100% true I loved it
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5 for TRUTH.
July 25th, 2006
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Tell it like it is!
July 25th, 2006
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This needs to get to top 5 for getting attention it deserves. Every word of it is truth and should be followed by all of us.
July 25th, 2006
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TRUTH! I never have spammed and never will. Somone should create a bait for him to steal and have a lawyer on hand already.
July 25th, 2006
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Ebaum will one day destroy his own site, because he will steal content from Scientoligy. They'll probably bankrupt him, and this will all be over.
July 25th, 2006
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Alert the Internet
July 25th, 2006
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Good one.
July 25th, 2006
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max makes plenty of money off this website, if you understood how much he was making from adsense you would probably sh*t yourself
July 25th, 2006
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"Tighten up the spelling."
July 25th, 2006
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YTMND is a parady site regardless of if "Max" profits or not. Most users here don't have the cash/determination to take ebaum to court, and I personally don't think they would win their case anyway depending on what state they choose to fight in. Spamming the forums is fun to watch, and I'm sure causes quite a bit of hassle to ebaum's moderators and such. I would imagine it also increases traffic here. So f*ck your maturity.
July 25th, 2006
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You could also say that by adding his watermark and not giving credit to the real author, it does appear like he's passing it off as his own work, so not only is it copyright, but plagarism.
July 25th, 2006
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Yes. Very yes. EXTREMELY YES!!!
July 25th, 2006
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I HIGHLY doubt YTMND is a registered non-profit organization. Also, you have no idea how much Max makes off of the site. Does he put a lot back into it? Sure. But that doesn't mean he's not keeping any ad money for himself.
July 25th, 2006
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Also, nice link in the description. Here's another for you: http://tinyurl.com/r3um3
July 25th, 2006
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WIN
July 25th, 2006
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5 because you acually thought this through unlike some people, and faved because this will help us greatly
July 25th, 2006
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-1 because I'm sure I'm not the only one who already knew that. 4 for attacking forum spammers though.
July 25th, 2006
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Fix your spelling errors, they make an otherwise good YTMND look kinda stupid.
July 25th, 2006
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Five'd.
July 25th, 2006
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Old news guys. Lets start making funny again and get over this crap.
July 25th, 2006
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Intelligence FTW. There's no ZOMG he stoled stuff. Or any crap like that. Just intelligence, though you spelled "advertising" wrong lol.
July 25th, 2006
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true... everybody god over the top about it.
July 25th, 2006
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5'dbutcheckurspelling,man.
July 25th, 2006
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I SORRY I HAD TO TEST YOU CHARLIE. YOU'VE WON!!
July 25th, 2006
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Wow, it now takes a whole ytmnd just to explain the obvious. Go back to watching NASCAR.
July 25th, 2006
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I for one have never spammed their forums because I know It won't do anything. Thanks for the announcement, now maybe some people will actually understand what's going on.
July 25th, 2006
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5 Stars for Truth.
July 25th, 2006
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Great intentions but the numerous spelling errors don't help the cause. :|
July 25th, 2006
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nicely done, but i have to knock off a star for the numerous spelling errors
July 25th, 2006
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jinjoz if you saw how much it cost to host all these url's and all these images and sound clips. Youd probably sh*t you'reself.
July 25th, 2006
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Oh if only I were a lawyer. You should add that the lawyer who does sue in a big case like this stands to make a good profit. But, a 5 none the less, and Fav!
July 25th, 2006
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This site needs to spammed on their forums! Or smth...
July 25th, 2006
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Good work
July 25th, 2006
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I like how people talk as if they actually know how much max makes off ytmnd too. "Also, you have no idea how much Max makes off of the site"
July 25th, 2006
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Some good points made here, but I don't agree fully. People have taken Bauman to court and lost. Posting on YTMND are linked to the users that posted them. Ebaums forums are fair game, the people that post there are blind to the truth about Bauman ethics. Check out somethingawful.com.
July 25th, 2006
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Access is with double "c".
July 25th, 2006
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You spelled "access" wrong.
July 25th, 2006
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You misspelled access.
July 25th, 2006
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...Hopefully it makes some kids understand...btw going to court is easier said then done....the judicial process is long and stressful
July 25th, 2006
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longer than braveheart
July 25th, 2006
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Started strong, but just got to be too longwinded.
July 25th, 2006
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not possible
July 25th, 2006
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Spelling and Grammar?
July 25th, 2006
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Finally. Any down-voters are a bunch of "YTMND4evar!11" wanabes and have no knowledge of jack sh*t. Everyone who downvoted the "stop spamming" sites are a bunch of stuck up wanabes who were feeded false information and jumped the gun.
July 25th, 2006
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I know somebody is thinking $_$ Lawsuit time.
July 25th, 2006
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"acess"
July 25th, 2006
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jeez, look at all the money he makes from those ads! and all for stealing things. why does everybody in the ebaum forums support him?
July 25th, 2006
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you should become a lawyer ;P
July 25th, 2006
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i thought we were all childish idiots?
July 25th, 2006
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July 25th, 2006
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this is just a good a reason for us, the ytmnder's/interneters, to make our own material, use our own imagination and skills. so if that prick (eric b) does steal it u can take his *ss to court and put him down for good, also get alot of money :> but i still think the ebaums' forum member should still atleast be made fun of for being followers/supporters of that "guy".
July 25th, 2006
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Yes it would be an impossible to lose.
July 25th, 2006
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5 for maturity...buttsecks.
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SPAM THEM!!!!!1
July 25th, 2006
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sh*t! I can't change my vote. w/e
July 25th, 2006
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Too true, very finely researched.
July 25th, 2006
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FINALLY!!! THANK YOU!! Please add more at the end as to what people SHOULD be doing, like writing letters to the USA network.
July 25th, 2006
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This is good stuff
July 25th, 2006
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Yes, but eBaumsworld users submit content to eBaumsworld that they think should be on eBaumsworld. So they DO loot and plunder
July 25th, 2006
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lol, speeling erars
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WRONG. Get your facts straight. YTMND.com is not a LEGAL non-profit org, therefore this entire argument is f*ckING RETARDED. If it were a legal non-profit than you would be correct, however I see no where on the site that states this.
July 25th, 2006
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all this is is a bunch of has assed assumptions, there is not one credible fact in the whole presentation. and being someone who works with adsense I'm confident max makes enough to cover his expenses and still has enough left over for rent and some persian hookers every now and then
July 25th, 2006
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exactly. thank you.
July 25th, 2006
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ok, i'm going back to the forums to spam more. Thxbye
July 25th, 2006
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You tell 'em.
July 25th, 2006
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A level headed assessment of the situation, except for one thing. Suing the Baumans isn't going to be as simple as you might think. They're members of God's Chosen People(tm), and that alone is often reason enough for them to escape punishment in our corrupted system.
July 25th, 2006
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Informative, but the ebaums forum people are idiots, so it's definitely fine to take it out on them.
July 25th, 2006
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INSTANTLY 5'D!
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i say just post this link all over the ebaum's forums. ultimate pwnage
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Yes... so true. There's a slight spelling error in the middle though. It's very distracting. Fix it.
July 27th, 2006
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Yeah, but it's funnier to just randomly annoy everyone involved, accomplishing nothing. It suits YTMND better.
July 27th, 2006
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right now.....ebaum is stealing someone's work
July 27th, 2006
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July 27th, 2006
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Aw sh*t, I'm a moron. I hit submit before typing. A very well constructed piece.
July 27th, 2006
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im thinking we buy an ad, say, to ebaumsworldsucks.com and put it up for a day or two
July 27th, 2006
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the balogna is in the nest, the pastrami is recyclable.
July 27th, 2006
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YTMND Soldiers! Take him to court!
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The only reason we dislike the forum members is because they choose to support and believe in ebaumsworld.com
July 28th, 2006
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I agree...the spamming has never accomplished anything, and it makes us look like much more of dumbasses. If anything, give links to this YTMND. I promise to attempt to re-convince anyone who downvotes this.
July 28th, 2006
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I'm pretty neutral on this subject
July 29th, 2006
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maybe you're right, but wtf is the fun in that? don't take it out on the forum members of ebaum? who think ebaumsworld is this great haven of creativity? what's worse? he who steals to creat ebaumsworld or he who visits and enjoys with ignorant bliss?
July 30th, 2006
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I'm glad there's at least one more rational voice.
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Excellent work.
July 30th, 2006
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I watched for awhile but when my younger sister died of old age I started to suspect it might be a little too long
July 31st, 2006
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That's a smart YTMND from a very mature individual. It's fun to see YTMNDs of the dopes from eBaum forum users though.
July 31st, 2006
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Everyone needs to see this! "not non-profit" sounds kinda clumsy. I thought "for profit" was the proper term... But meh, in the words of Vader: "We can end this destructive conflict!"
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Uhh, WRONG. The fact that YTMND is non-profit doesn't mean that it is protected under copyright law. Read the sentence in your YTMND regarding copyright law again. Not only does it have to be non-profit but the material can only be used for "criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, or research." YTMND is none of these things. NOT EVEN COPYWRITE LAW CAN SAVE YOU FROM ME
July 31st, 2006
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''I mostly agree with what you're doing, but by your logic Youtube is safe from being sued because they don't make any money.'' Youtube posts videos that are still being sold as DVDs, and shows that are still aired, etc. That detracts from the materials worth and is an infringement, nonprofit or not. OGROK, find me a YTMND with copywrited material that isn't a parody. Really.
July 31st, 2006
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Ebaums STEALS the content and the only change to that content it to add is watermark. There was not reactivity or thought that went into what he does. In addition, some of his sites are not even hosted on his site. He leached the Cornholio sound board and shut the guy down. YTMND users, for the most part, edit the content and make something new from it. The YTMND usage is still copyright infringement. At least, at a minimum, itís creative.
July 31st, 2006
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sorry, im drunk atm
July 31st, 2006
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class action lawsuit is coming. bunch of popular animators and media sites involved. ebaums will lose and subsequently be shut down. more to come.
July 31st, 2006
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"look like" childish idiots?
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Kebsis - http://openyoureyes.ytmnd.com/
August 1st, 2006
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Well done. Very well done!
August 3rd, 2006
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The one flaw in your argument is the fact that a lawsuit against Eric is an 'un-loseable' case. Bauman has so many lawyers it wouldn't matter. Love the ytmnd, though.
August 3rd, 2006
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A Very Very Sad Truth told about EBaum. A 5 for Joo!!
August 3rd, 2006
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To Wojiz: Bauman is Beatable in Court. Don't Think that E-Baum has Special Protected status. Because there will be someone who can crack through him.
August 3rd, 2006
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Truthiness!
August 3rd, 2006
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You Spelled Within Wrong!!!!!!!!!
August 4th, 2006
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have u noticed that your Van Halen is warez'd? YOU FAIL
August 4th, 2006
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cool
August 5th, 2006
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Thanks for putting it in perspective
August 5th, 2006
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I was wondering when somebody on YTMND would openly admit its content is stolen too, and I'm glad somebody did. But I didn't know YTMND was non-profit, so nicely done on the research =)
August 5th, 2006
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change "Lie and Plunder" to Loot and Plunder" for a 5
August 6th, 2006
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No..! No! Thats impossible! Search your heart, you know it be true... No.. Noooooo! >_
August 7th, 2006
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We're not punishing the forum users, we're educating them.
August 7th, 2006
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Thank you. I knew some people had to have common sense in this world of ours.
August 7th, 2006
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someone needs to take him to court, and show this site to win
August 7th, 2006
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Then what's really needed is a set up.
August 8th, 2006
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this ytmnd is filled with poorly researched information and while it has good intentions it creator is clearly not an expert on the subject
August 8th, 2006
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This site still makes money, not saying that the site creator steals stuff or anything but your "facts" are misguided
August 11th, 2006
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first off, f*ck off down voters, second of all you win, third you win
August 11th, 2006
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i have never even been to their forums.
August 11th, 2006
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IF YOU ASSOCIATE YOURSELF WITH THE ENEMY, YOU ARE THE ENEMY. HUZZAH!
August 11th, 2006
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your defending ebaums....f*ggot
August 12th, 2006
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If only I hadn't fallen asleep halfway through the presentation I'd given you a higher score...
August 12th, 2006
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Kinda like how most YTMNDs are stolen from 4chan or Break...
August 12th, 2006
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For great justice! I five this!
August 13th, 2006
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copyright law is not very rigid and is very broadly interpreted, usually in favor of the plaintiff of any given suit.
August 13th, 2006
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It would be cool if it actually would work that way, but for a person to take ebaum to court, said person would have to practically outspend them, oh, and need I remind you, they have teh monies.
August 17th, 2006
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RIGHT ON BROTHER!, ive been waiting for some one to point that out, i figured it wasnt my place to point out american law seeing as i am canadian! KEEP UP THE GOOD LEGAL WORK!
August 17th, 2006
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I never been in those fourms either. Its the noobs that get in the way.
August 18th, 2006
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lol, "anwser" "acess"... oh yeah, TRADER! 1'd
August 21st, 2006
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well, it's true
August 23rd, 2006
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ya rly nice job with the research and citations definitley a five. if i could, i'd sponsor this one.
August 25th, 2006
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grey rectangle ftw
August 28th, 2006
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I do not think that anyone really cares to sure Eric. Even if they did, they would most likely lose due to the fact that Eric Baumen is loaded. Though, I could be mistaken.
August 29th, 2006
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Good clean sense.
August 29th, 2006
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Fair use.
September 1st, 2006
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damn right
September 3rd, 2006
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5 for van halen and 5 for ebaum bashing. about time somebody actually posted real sh*t that would f*ck over the baumans
September 4th, 2006
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you fail, please try again ^_^
September 4th, 2006
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you win, keep up the good work. ;D
September 6th, 2006
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so true, so true :) that makes me wanna make something funny then sue him if he steals it lmao
September 8th, 2006
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http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=1024666
September 8th, 2006
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No one will counter me? I'll do it myself then. LOL. http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=1026018
September 12th, 2006
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Yeah to your stupid little Phoenix Wright thing I would of just said thats the dumbest loop-hole ever. Thatd be like me saying "Hey Sentry (a friend of mine in RL) I made a place to upload user created submissions on www.ergwow.com (my site dont go there its a WIP) so I would like to see *random copywritten material* on there but I cant so would you??"
September 14th, 2006
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Good points, the thing is that if you do take it out on eBaums forums in mass raids such as the YTMND-Day attack, you're in effect f*cking over the entire website by crashing the servers. Generic spamming is just that, retarded and done by NARVs. On the other hand, most "stolen" content on YTMND is also heavily modified from its original state. If it's not, then it usually sucks and gets low ratings. In addition, Max isn't responsible for that content.
September 15th, 2006
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finally. thank you.
September 19th, 2006
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Spelling. Too long. Questionable interpretations of Copyright law.
September 20th, 2006
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WONDERFUL! you win, good day sir
September 28th, 2006
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does this no longer apply?
September 29th, 2006
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I Loved your sitehttp://ebaumsfacts.ytmnd.com5'ed
September 29th, 2006
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I Loved your site http://ebaumsfacts.ytmnd.com 5'ed, check out my page votecoder5.ytmnd.com when you have time!
October 8th, 2006
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We need something tottally awesome to take them down by sueing them. I can brianstorm.
October 17th, 2006
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So why has noone brought him to court then?
February 8th, 2007
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wow, i can see the point you are trying to make hrer,exellent job on research:)
March 17th, 2007
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5
March 28th, 2007
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True perhaps, but fun? Notsomuch.
June 21st, 2007
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no sorry you fail, citing sources ftw
July 19th, 2007
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Wait a second here... YTMND's funny and entertaining content comes from stolen things, yes. But what makes them funny or entertaining is the very original and creative editing coming from registered users, from simple jokes, to something along the wide array of very original inside jokes ytmnd has (that ebaumsworld doesn't). Ebaumsworld registered users do not do anything creative for their site, rather they steal things and submit them. Ebaumsworld then claims responsibility of the content.
August 17th, 2007
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ok first of all, are you a lawyer? if not then stop acting like you know everything there is to know about this....secondly, he didnt use grotesque amounts of anything, he used one image, so according to you he is protected.....but also not protected......pretty condradictory dont ya think?
September 8th, 2007
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ANYONE WHO 1S IS A NlGGER!!
December 5th, 2007
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"His site is hosted witin the USA?" Shouldn't it be "within?"