money has no artistic value
Created on: August 21st, 2006
money has no artistic value
max 
YTMND has to change its ways in order to be a real "company".

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<< 1 2 3 4 5 >>
August 21st, 2006
(5)
hey max
March 26th, 2007
(6)
If I had money I would give it to you Max, seriously.
March 27th, 2007
(-1)
me too lawl.
May 25th, 2007
(9)
5 for the "60606" you were getting billed by the devil max
May 31st, 2007
(1)
Wow so far this site has racked up over $2050 in donations. happy time...
October 9th, 2007
(-1)
Holy F*cking Christ @ all the sponsors!
October 13th, 2007
(0)
This made for a great ringtone.
October 15th, 2007
(0)
PAY ME BITCH
October 15th, 2007
(2)
It has no transitive value, either. Technically, you owe them nothing.
October 24th, 2007
(3)
i thought you said transvestite value at first, and was going to downvote your comment...but clearly ytmnd has MOSTLY transvestite value.
May 18th, 2008
(1)
Clearly... What was I gonna say? Lost my train of thought...
August 22nd, 2008
(1)
I was the 100th user to fav this site.
August 24th, 2008
(0)
I just put in $2 just so my name would go on that big *ss list.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
loo
August 24th, 2008
(0)
...damn, two years later and this site still gets sponsored!
August 21st, 2006
(0)
LOL!
August 21st, 2006
(29)
For a minute I thought you were saying I had no artistic value.
April 18th, 2008
(-3)
MoNeY hAs No ArTiStIc VaLuE
August 23rd, 2008
(2)
MoNeY hAs No ArTiStIc VaLuE
August 27th, 2008
(-2)
MoNeY hAs No ArTiStIc VaLuE
August 28th, 2008
(-2)
money hat no artistic value
November 30th, 2009
(0)
MONEY HAS NO ARTiSTIC VALUE
August 21st, 2006
(9)
Dammit, I gotta pay off your bill again?
August 21st, 2006
(0)
hahaha 16 grand. dang that sucks.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
o sh*t
August 21st, 2006
(0)
max, long time no see!
August 21st, 2006
(0)
wow. expensive x.x
August 21st, 2006
(0)
wow its max!
August 21st, 2006
(0)
wait, you want us to IRL raid your hosting service?
August 21st, 2006
(-1)
-1 for glaring grammatical error in description.
(2)
That error being what? If you mean "its", you are incorrect. "It's" is the contraction of "it is". To suggest ownership, "its" is the correct word to use. But since you voted five...I guess you noticed your fault already.
(0)
Sarcasm FTW.
January 27th, 2009
(0)
The correct grammatical error being punctuation always comes before quotations. It should be "company." not "company".
August 21st, 2006
(0)
i give you 4
August 21st, 2006
(0)
meh, it's a screenshot. oh, and lol big bill, my bad.
August 21st, 2006
(2)
Oh noes, YTMND can't pay the bills! Quick, everyone click on the google ads!
August 21st, 2006
(2)
Hey, I work right down the street from them! Want me to head over there, kick the sh*t out of them?
August 21st, 2006
(2)
mein god, you really got to get some useless crap for us to buy Max!
August 21st, 2006
(-15)
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(-15)
"-1 for glaring grammatical error in description." The "it's" is used in a sense of ownnership, so it's justified
August 21st, 2006
(0)
i upvoted so people will see this and start clicking on ads and sh*t word
August 21st, 2006
(0)
max FTW
August 21st, 2006
(-1)
A sign of the times: YTMND voters don't even know a site from the owner anymore and push it off the U&C in favor of yet another "epic". Part of me hasta laugh
August 21st, 2006
(1)
"Slowing becoming e-baums like little by little" by what? becoming larger?
August 21st, 2006
(0)
lol at sticky
August 21st, 2006
(0)
A real company, eh?
August 21st, 2006
(0)
lol
August 21st, 2006
(0)
oh big bill
August 21st, 2006
(0)
big spender
August 21st, 2006
(0)
lol max
August 21st, 2006
(2)
If I donate $5000, will you make me a mod?
August 21st, 2006
(0)
gimme some sh*t to buy plz
August 21st, 2006
(0)
IN PDF FORM!!!
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Ouch.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Damn, that sucks )_:
August 21st, 2006
(1)
IT'S A TRAP. Also lol grammar nazis, and the period goes inside the quotation marks. Like this: "company."
September 15th, 2007
(0)
If a character was saying it, like "To our left we have the Coca-Cola company." As they're saying the complete sentence. He did it right.
October 16th, 2007
(0)
it's generally british to have the period outside the quotation marks, unless there is some kind of exclamation needed like "You killed her!" where it will be within the quotation marks. k grammar gestapo > grammar nazis
August 21st, 2006
(0)
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(0)
maybe in america
August 21st, 2006
(0)
So wait, you have to pay that amount by 8-16-06? (It's the 21st) I'll donate about $500 dollars if you do.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
drinkin out a 40 bottle livin' outdoors...
April 21st, 2008
(0)
Gray Goose
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Damn, 16k? Thats like a New Kia every month, What Kind of job you do?
January 27th, 2009
(0)
He's jewish
August 21st, 2006
(0)
bandwith =/
August 21st, 2006
(0)
lolz i love the $$
August 21st, 2006
(0)
oh. snap.
August 21st, 2006
(-2)
MAX = instant 5
August 21st, 2006
(7)
WE NEED MORE GOLD
October 19th, 2007
(5)
OUR GOLD MINE IS RUNNING LOW
April 21st, 2008
(0)
You require more vespene gas
August 21st, 2006
(0)
I'll eventually get around to sponsoring a site with a large amount of money sometime.
August 21st, 2006
(4)
max, write a book. start a religion. sue people. get money.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
5'd for max. And you should ban that trombone kid for defacing your site with retardedness.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
August 21st, 2006
(0)
All I have is a bucket of stars.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
pbs:television::ytmnd:internet
August 21st, 2006
(2)
So do you want us to burn a building down or something? What is thy bidding Master?
January 27th, 2009
(0)
It's a disaster, skywalker we're after!
August 21st, 2006
(14)
pay the man now dog.
August 21st, 2006
(5)
Here come the interstitial "YTMND is sponsored by: *large IFRAME Flash ad* (Click here to skip to YTMND.com)" ads. TINSTAAFL.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
hahahahohoho
August 21st, 2006
(1)
sooo...what's the plan?
August 21st, 2006
(1)
OK, so you racked up 16k in bandwidth charges? Does that have anything to do with the ddos attacks or is that about normal?
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Fav'd just because max is awesome
August 21st, 2006
(0)
If there was stuff to buy, I'd buy it. At outrageous prices.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
quick get the shirts out and they'll make more money than snakes on a plane did... which deserved more money
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Ha - good stuff... also, c*cks.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Banning Xiu and ultimacanti would probably save at least $10 (barring DDoS when--not if--they get banned).
August 21st, 2006
(0)
wait... are you planning on putting ads on the site?
August 21st, 2006
(0)
omg!!!
August 21st, 2006
(-3)
Stealing YTMNDs FTL
August 21st, 2006
(1)
but I thought you had max gold
August 21st, 2006
(0)
...and now trombone is joining the asshat-downvote act. Add him to the two I mentioned. (sigh)
August 21st, 2006
(0)
If you hate Max and YTMND why did you join? :|
August 21st, 2006
(0)
lol there is no f*cking reason this site shouldn't be MAKING 10k a month with the traffic you get. Max you need to realise that ytmnd has been a free ride for alot of people over the last year and a bit, there is relatively NO ads on the site, no popups, you don't even see the ads on the ytmnd tab... I think a popup now and then would be fine, and it would definately increase revenue. If you want to make the site into a means of income that is.
August 21st, 2006
(-3)
Max, if you were to add a yearly/monthly fee for a membership it would really help the site in two ways. The first is obvious. The second would be to filter out some of these punk a$$ kids that are F a gging up YTMND. I have been less and less interested and hope this site does not continue on the sh*t trail is has been on. I would gladly pay a membership fee dear friend, and I am sure some of this communities most valued users would do the very same! -Mr. Grim
April 22nd, 2008
(1)
hey it works for SA...
August 21st, 2006
(0)
^-- Hah. Ugh... click on ads... yeah.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
also f*ck popups!
August 21st, 2006
(0)
FTW it's Max.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Windex, get off this site, please
August 21st, 2006
(0)
^ also should not be a gold star but a Golden Jerries Kids Shamrock!
August 21st, 2006
(0)
also c*cks
August 21st, 2006
(0)
lol jerries more like Jerry's amirite?
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Is this good or bad?
August 21st, 2006
(0)
max your such a king, you think its funny but your stuff isn't gay......instead your head is stuck in a vagina filled with flowers. come down from your throne and start adding GOLD YTMND accounts you gentleman...then I wont have to hear you tell us nobles how you can't spare 15k from your fortune, and its up to us to click those google ads, you jewish man god of verility, make those ytmnd t-shirts and punch the keys for god's sake, your updates keep rolling out like your a clown in a candy factory. bbs, k
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Money makes the world go round, wether you love it or not.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
"Excuse me, but this ytmnd was stolen from me. Please cite me in and I will give you a 5." guy is gay...
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Ah, much better. Here's the extra star your site now deserves.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Of course, the period is still placed after the end quote, but I'll let that slide.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Max....latin is a dead language...love 4ever
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Boot any user that has made no site or only really sh*tty sits, that should lighten any load quite a bit.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
"If there was stuff to buy, I'd buy it. At outrageous prices." QFT. sorry for looking at too many sites this month, max :(
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Please God tell me windex got his arse banned for that comment. That alone would make an 11k bill worth it.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
I implore thee, delete ye the douchebags that claim thievery.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
QUICK, SOMEONE CALL TEKNORAT.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
well.... that sucks.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Oh f*ck me.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
You are an incredibly sensitive man, who inspires Joy-Joy feelings in all those around you.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
windex is no longer with us
August 21st, 2006
(0)
LOL windex was deleted
August 21st, 2006
(0)
All sites that have a 1.5 or below rating should be deleted!
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Chemistry Calisthenics
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Swantz has a good idea but then downvoters would have a holiday. Why cant people learn there are 5 total vote possibilities, not just 2
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Without capitalism... YTMND would not exist for your pleasure. Give Max some money for what he has brought you.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
wtf no way lol
August 21st, 2006
(0)
We aren't a company? WE PRODUCE AND EXPORT ENDLESS AMOUNTS OF HUMOR AND IT ISN'T EVEN ENOUGH TO PAY THE F*CKING BILLS?! Hurry up with those shirts, and we need more advertising!
August 21st, 2006
(0)
August 21st, 2006
(1)
God damn... that is a huge amount to pay. Every year? And still people get mad when you want to change something? That is f*cked. People have no right to give you any disrespect when you pay 16 grand so they can make a few websites...
August 21st, 2006
(0)
lol, 5@max.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
i must 5 this. you're max goldberg. by 5ing you maybe i'll gain instant "syncan". status. actually i just liked the music.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
you need to fill your tubes max..
August 21st, 2006
(0)
oh burn... huge points for blackalicious though
August 21st, 2006
(0)
...lol @ the "where is teknorat" comment.
August 21st, 2006
(1)
max.. start by opening the ytmnd store!!! t-sh*ts, mugs, stationary.. bastardize ytmnd for a profit!!!!
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Nice, I thought you were talking about moneyhat there for a second too XD
August 21st, 2006
(0)
whoops... i meant t-shirts. not t-sh*ts. :/
August 21st, 2006
(1)
"QUICK, SOMEONE CALL TEKNORAT."
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Everybody, click on a google ad!!! :o
August 21st, 2006
(0)
pay in monopoly money
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Click the ads for God's sake! That is all.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Ouch... mabe It'll soon be better to buy your own Servers and pay for a gigabit connection.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
=O
August 21st, 2006
(0)
If you pay for a gigabit connection... I could host all of YTMND with my new X6800 Conroe computer, my X2 4400 and 700Gb of RAID 1 and 0 storage space.
August 21st, 2006
(-1)
Hey Max, instead of pay that why not take YTMND down, and give that 16K to me? It'd be for a better cause.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
ouch
August 21st, 2006
(-4)
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guys dont click on ads, it doesn't help, if it doesn't convert it's worthless. the idea is that im going to have to start focusing less on adding new features and more on making money.
August 21st, 2006
(-1)
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Stolen from 4Chan
(4)
Maybe if your ads weren't selling Police scolarships to a bunch of 14 year olds.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Your AdSense totals make mine look like a pile of crap...however I'd rather not spend that much in hosting.
August 21st, 2006
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I'm totally all for switching to a paid subscriber system. Do something like if someone has over ten sites with a 3.0 rating, it's obvious the user is an established, good user and no a damn downvoter... Give them a free year and then charge like $50 for a year ($4.16 a month, that's like, a Pinto a month)
August 21st, 2006
(0)
care post.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
http://fhew.ytmnd.com
August 21st, 2006
(0)
lol
August 21st, 2006
(0)
I suggest selling all the content to eBaums World so it takes the pain out of them stealing it from you. Or you could find other soruces of revenue; TLA isn't that bad because they aren't big bulky flash ads where you have to click some damn button to win a free ringtone that I've never gotten. They pay me pretty well for the low traffic sites I have.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
good lord
August 21st, 2006
(0)
5 for max
August 21st, 2006
(2)
YTMND needs merchandise, if you made 10 different YTMND shirts i'd buy 20 of them.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
sorry max
August 21st, 2006
(0)
OMG MAX
August 21st, 2006
(0)
hackman kills a baby!
August 21st, 2006
(0)
16k, eh? Reminds me of the guy who had a $1,000,000 electric bill.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
omg max makes a ytmnd! its so funny and good lOLOLOL
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Max, if you want someone to do some graphic design work for some products, I'm your man. I work quick, and produce quality goods.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Sh*t Max, put in more ads! As long as it's not the crowded debauchery of Ebaums we all understand the need to recoup some expenses... also c*cks
August 21st, 2006
(0)
YTMND INC.? Like Kids Inc., also c*cks.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
This YTMND isn't even that good but I guess since your max it's pretty much a auto five.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
I F*CKED MAX
August 21st, 2006
(0)
I saw 69, omglolwtfzor.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
well the shirts, and possibly the blue ball boxers, should make a nice amount of money
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Does this include lawyer fees for fighting that whole "church of scientology" thing?
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Do what you gotta do as far as "focusing...more on making money," max. I'm sure you get huge amounts of traffic, so exploit it. Just try not to bombard us with popups or cram ads on top of YTMND sites, please.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
eBaum will steal this, call it there own, and pay the bill
August 21st, 2006
(0)
hahahhahahahhahahahhahaha
August 21st, 2006
(0)
...wow... that's a whole lot of money... how are you gonna pay that? Or are you?
August 21st, 2006
(0)
UMMM...... WHAT?!?!?!?! cant downvote the guy who made yourethemannowdog.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Thundergod and mrgrim have forgotten their roots. Ill click more ads of course, but how did the site manage to get a bill that big?
August 21st, 2006
(0)
OH SH*T DIVIDE MY ZERO!
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Let me get this straight. You owe 16 f*cking grand? How!?
August 21st, 2006
(1)
Maybe some interviews? your site does get alot of traffic. Appear on g4 or something? maybe not. its nice not knowing what you look like or who you are. Youre kinda like santa claus, except more vague.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Max's identity shall forever remain a secret... you know except for the part how we know his last name.
August 21st, 2006
(2)
"eBaum will steal this, call it there own, and pay the bill" lol
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Nothing justifies screwing with YTMND...Not Even Blackalicious Music
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Well, we make the sites so can we have desks and cubicles?
August 21st, 2006
(0)
sell the site to news CORP for 500 baZILLIO dollars
August 21st, 2006
(0)
God, the song is awesome. But yeah, maybe the store will improve the situation.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
54th... How much bandwidth does ytmnd.com push?
April 17th, 2008
(0)
ATE
August 21st, 2006
(0)
5
August 21st, 2006
(0)
No, you can't use any of my jewgold, sorry. But once I'm a famous game programmer I plan on sneaking YTMND-related easter eggs into all the games I work on, and THEN I can actually contribute to the site :)
August 21st, 2006
(0)
lol 16 g
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Seriously, I just checked and YTMND gets more traffic than Homestar Runner, and their store gets enough cash to support the creators and the site. Once the store opens it should really help things out.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Let's not forget that July had a huge spike in traffic thanks to the Zidane fad. However, the monthly bills are still astronomically high. Roll out the paid users feature! $5 - $10
August 21st, 2006
(1)
LOL Max deleted my account when I made that comment.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Oh and just an idea: Make the YTMND redesign a Beta page for paid users as an added perk before it debuts for everyone.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Celebrate my brothers! Xiu has ben deleted!
August 21st, 2006
(0)
August 21st, 2006
(0)
what
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Also c*cks, Max. Also c*cks.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
I love you, Max.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Edwardpenis - I have not forgotten my roots, I am just trying to think about our friend Max. You know, the guy who made the site. The guy who kinda owes the $16 f*cking thousand dollars. I would gladly pay $5 a month to help out. Max, you have been too nice in the past. Get someone to make a program that auto deletes all sites under a 3 rating. That should free up countless amounts of bandwidth, and drop your bill by more than 50% I am sure of it. Trust me. -Mr. Grim
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Quick! We all must raid scientology main headquarters for the money. Bring any weapons you can.
August 21st, 2006
(1)
bandwidth consumed by too many f*ggy short films.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Year membership for $30 and it comes with a YTMND shirt maybe?
August 21st, 2006
(0)
BTW, if we go through and delete our sh*tty sites will that really help, I got plenty of them, Ill do my part. :)
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Take a note from SomethingAwful, offer paid memberships, or offer a premium member category with a recurring fee.
August 21st, 2006
(1)
i'm for deleting all sites with ratings lower than 2.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
we have to... do something... what else am i supposed to do on my free time?
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Another thought just came to mind if you want to keep the userbase completely free with no fees. What happened to that Adbrite stuff? Couldn't you easily setup a pay per link option with that on the YTMND front page?
August 21st, 2006
(0)
I PM'ed you with bandwidth conservation tips but you'll probably never read it. If you can find a tier 1 ISP to host you, they may be able to do it for free (since they have their own backbone connection and peering agreement, bandwidth doesn't cost them anything).
August 21st, 2006
(0)
NEVER!
August 21st, 2006
(0)
The donations cover the rest
August 21st, 2006
(-1)
OMGZORZ Max made a Sit3!!1 5'd
August 21st, 2006
(0)
GET FREE BOXES http://igotfreeboxes.ytmnd.com/
August 21st, 2006
(0)
i had a feeling of this max would make another ytmnd soon
August 21st, 2006
(0)
wait what?
August 21st, 2006
(0)
i'd take a free account to view, and a 'gold' account to vote: my votes aren't worth sh*t anyway
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Heh, wow expensive.
August 21st, 2006
(-1)
you fail, please try again ^_^
August 21st, 2008
(0)
This comment was made two years ago.
August 21st, 2008
(0)
Oh wait, so was this site.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
^ you can ban him now
August 21st, 2006
(0)
holy crap ps ban sexymofo
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Start selling T-Shirts again... Put some fads on em (citing the authors) and go ballistic. I'd kill for a KHAAAAAAAN T-Shirt or a classic Connery.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
I see nothing actually wrong with selling t-shirts and other stuff.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
I'd buy a POLAND ytmnd t-shirt. =)
April 16th, 2008
(1)
No you wouldn't!
August 21st, 2006
(0)
ban sexymofo please
August 21st, 2006
(0)
now is a great time for T Shirts
August 21st, 2006
(0)
I think I sjpeak for everyone when I say 'merchandising'
August 21st, 2006
(0)
5'd becuase it was made by max
(0)
looks like it's time to sell out!
August 21st, 2006
(0)
If the guys who make sites here are considered artists now, Max needs to apply for a grant from the NEA or something.
(0)
Sh*t man, that's a lot. If you open up a store, I'd certainly buy several shirts. Always wanted one, too... Maybe have upvoter/downvoter shirts?
August 21st, 2006
(0)
PAID SUBSCRIPTIONS FOR ALL USERS THAT WANT TO HAVE A MEMBERSHIP = VOTING ABILITIES & SITE CREATION ABILITIES. $10.00 - $15.00 EACH. Do it yesterday...
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Sell the rights to NEDM to Disney, it'll be like Bambi but with more fire.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Paid membership if manditory would be stupid. You'd lose alot of members and fast. I do think we really need memberships though. I'd love to be able to view only member's stuff because it'd have a lot less crap from the trolls.
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Either that or make websites use less data (converting wav to MP3 and lowering the bitrate, cutting off some of the audio if it's too long, converting image formats, etc.)
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Yeessshhhhhh.....
August 21st, 2006
(0)
Yeah! Ban sexymofo, and also I think fad shirts, such as KHAN! would get you in way more trouble than it would be worth. I'd definately buy a shirt that said YTMND though, and lotsa people would buy shirts that said NEDM.
August 22nd, 2006
(0)
i feel for you
August 22nd, 2006
(0)
I don't get it. . .
August 22nd, 2006
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Holy sh*t. What does this mean for YTMND? I'd like to see a newspost on this. :/
August 22nd, 2006
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SELL STUFF TO FUND YTMND! GIVE THE REMAING MONEY TO CHARITY, YTMND WILL BE NON-PROFIT BUT YOU'LL BE REWARDED WITH A NOVELL OR SOMETHING!!!
August 22nd, 2006
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its time for paid accounts. its time to follow the SomethingAwful forum model (with maybe a little less mod abuse of course). Yes many users will be purged, but for bandwith's sake a leaner meaner YTMND is necessary for survival... you can do as many pledge drives as you want for the main page sponsorship and sell tshirts but that can only last so long. the lolocaust is coming.
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