"I'm not saying which version of religion is correct." I didn't say anything about that either. I'm not talking about conflicting creator-based beliefs. I'm showing how your example doesn't apply. You can't compare the idea of a creator with an actual person. Like I said, it's fine if you're talking to other believers, but atheism isn't built upon the same assumptions.

'you are admitting that with a creator, there can be an actual "right" and "wrong".' Exactly where did I say that?

Regardless of how fundamental and matter-of-fact that all seems to you, it's still just a belief based in religious doctrine. We can actually go and ask the Max what he thinks, and reasonably walk away with an answer. The only way to approach and ask questions of a creator is through sublime spiritual experience, or secondhand through the church if you're lazy. Hardly factual, and concrete only in the minds of believers.

Nice analysis! Apple's ads always make me cringe in annoyment. As far as Mac vs. PC, I use both :p

...Including with a creator. Even if our existence was on purpose, things still can't be proven bad one way or the other. Your conviction that they could be holds no more weight than any other idea of ultimate morality.