To-do updates and discussion.

I'm glad you guys have been giving so much feedback on the feature list. Please note these are nowhere near final, I just want to throw ideas out for discussion. Don't get too worried!

For those of you who haven't been around a while I suggest you look at the TODO list to get up to speed.

Read more if you care.


[ PAID ACCOUNTS ]

Paid accounts will be a reasonable one time fee. The idea is not to take away any privilege from unpaid
users, just to give some more powerful features to the people who are willing to throw down some cash.
I really doubt that the money gathered from paid accounts will actually be a substantial amount so it's
more to pay for the extra server hardware that these features require. One other major possibility
is to have dedicated PAID servers so that paid users experience less lag and faster load times.


[ MODERATION ] 

Moderation has been going on for some time now. It's a necessary evil. At first it wasn't needed but
as the traffic grew the need for advertisers grew so as the site could pay for bandwidth. As many of you
can guess, advertisers aren't pleased when you have animated pictures of gay men having sex on your domain.
If moderation stopped, advertisers would drop the site, and the site would shut down. It has to be done
in order to keep the site alive. The honor system doesn't work on a scale this large. YTMNSFW is required.

The idea is to allow anyone to do moderation and require a majority vote. If people moderate at the same time
they are looking at new YTMNDs, it shouldn't really get backlogged.


[ SITE DELETION ]

One of the main reasons I have even included auto-deletion is the sheer amount of awful sites that are made on
a daily basis. There have been 280,000 sites created, of those, 180,000 still exist. The majority of content
complaints I get are from people who have had a site made about them. Girls who have angry boyfriends, high
schoolers who want to pick on someone, etc. There are a huge number of sites with inside jokes and pictures
of people that aren't noteworthy, people's personal information etc. There are tens of thousands of duplicate
sites (ie. needs more cowbell syndrome). If users don't police the content of the community, it's going to
continue getting worse.

This causes a problem as each site (even if it doesn't get viewed) adds to the load and storage space across
all servers. The more gunk clogging up the system the slower the YTMND engine will run. Sites are currently
being made at up to 2500 per day.


[ SUGGESTED CHANGES ]

Again these aren't set in stone and I am throwing out the TODO so you guys know what's going on and what
I'm up to. The 2.5 score/100 views/10 votes thing was totally pulled out of the air. I obviously want to
keep the "instant on" aspect of YTMND and the ability to see the most recently created sites in as "real
-time" as possible. It was definitely a bit over-zealous, and I realize how many sites would be affected
by using this method (70,435 to be exact). 

I want feedback from you, the user. We have to figure out a suitable way to keep the site clean enough for
advertisers without holding people back too much. We have to focus on quality over quantity.


[ ANOTHER POSSIBLE SOLUTION FOR MODERATION AND DELETION ]

User would create a site as normal. Upon creation the site has 2 weeks to receive 5 moderation votes.
Anyone can see recently created sites, and logged in users are prompted to choose between a few
moderation votes. Users can only vote on a site once one of two things happens a) they have made a
moderation decision on that site or b) 5 other people have already made moderation decisions on that
site.

If after two weeks the site still hasn't managed to get 5 moderation votes it's priority will raise in
the queue. At this point only registered users will be able to see the YTMND until it's been moderated.
The queue would most likely be displayed on the front page.

Another possible idea is do away with the recently created list and come up with an "unknown ytmnds" list.
Initially it would be seeded with a number such as 50. It would then cycle through every site that has less
than 50 total views starting from the oldest and working its way to the newest. The exposure on the front
page would give a lot of old and unknown sites some fresh traffic. At a certain point once the older sites
have been viewed 50 times, only new YTMNDs will show up in this area, and it would solve the problem of
people making YTMNDs at reset time to inject their way into the Top 15. 

The possibilities are endless. 



Below are some new suggestions and things I forgot to add. Again, please comment on this stuff as it is
the only way I can get feedback.


[ FORUMS ]

Regarding the forum goers who want things back to the way they used to be, it probably isn't going to happen.
The forums are a free service which are offered to members of the site. It's meant to be a community area. 
The main users of the forums don't even visit the main site and usually shun away any user who mentions the
site. I am adding a sub-forum to appease you, but I'm not going back to the old way it was because it was
hurting the community and only benefited a minority of the community. If you are looking for that type of forum
there are multiple that have started in response of YTMND enforcing it's rules and I am sure you will have no
trouble finding them.


[ SITES ] 

+- Build a protection mechanism to keep sites from being accidentally deleted
+-- (especially useful for hall of fame).
@- Possibly require sound and image origin fields.


[ FLASH ]

@- On upload make a copy and convert sound files to SWF (has to be done for mp3)
@- Write a flash/JavaScript player and preloader.
@-- This will more or less end all sound compatibility options, end the need for (refresh) etc.
@-- This would require a major change of infrastructure and the need for a lot more hardware.



[ SITE TEMPLATE ]

@- Allow users to use the "# !" style on the site template instead of the corner image (not sure if this
@-- should be paid or an available feature for all users). The corner image is mainly to draw the
@-- attention of www. to people that aren't members of the site so it serves little purpose to non-paid
@-- users except for the advertisement.


[ STANDARDIZE SITE LINK DISPLAY ] 

@- Go through and make sure every link that links to a sub-domain opens in a new window.
@- Standardize the way a site title and votebar is displayed.
@- Possibly make icons for the site list which show sites that are ws/nsfw and sites that are in the HOF.


[ SEARCH ]

+- Make the search more powerful, make an advanced search.
@- Possibly a paid feature to add filtering.


[ CONTENT BOXES / FRONT PAGE ]

*- Don't show the Top Viewed box at reset, causes some skewed results.
+- Write some code so that sponsored sites get an amount of front page time equivalent
+-  to the percentage of money they have contributed to the total. 

[ WEIGHTED VOTING ]

@- Create an algorithm based on each user's vote spread and the average votes of 
@- the site's they have created to create a multiplier.
@-- This would mean someone who only votes 1 or 5 on everything would have 
@-- less voting power than people who spread votes around. 


[ COMMENTS ]

@-- Possibly open this feature up for people who have a large number of comments on one site
@-- (ie popular sites) for free.

[ DONATIONS/SPONSORSHIP ]

+- Show users contributions on user profiles.
+- Show breakdown of contributions on site profiles.


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January 17th, 2006
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CHANGE IS GOD
January 17th, 2006
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Sweet. I'm looking forward to this.
January 17th, 2006
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ok
January 17th, 2006
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lol what!
January 17th, 2006
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WRYYYYYYYY
January 17th, 2006
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sounds good
January 17th, 2006
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Rofl twEEker......not 1st comment HAHA!
January 17th, 2006
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I likea da juice, eh? I like the idea of the fast server for PAID people, if the fee is something like 5 bucks and is indeed one-time, then hell, I guess I'd bite.
January 17th, 2006
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nooooo i want the old forums backkkkkkkkkk :'( but i do understand your points max
January 17th, 2006
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Max, I think that deleting sites with a low vote could cause trouble. If person A doesn't like person B, then person A can have all of their friends 1 star person B's site. (I hope that wasn't too confusing.) Also, I think it'd be a good idea to allow non-paid members the ability to edit their comments; I hate it when I miss an error and can't change it. Also, would it be possible to allow a "never log-out" function? I don't know about everyone else, but it'd make my YTMND experience a lot easier. Thanks, Max!
January 17th, 2006
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yay flash
January 17th, 2006
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Damn you max! Uberhaxs I knew it
January 17th, 2006
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the vote weighting is a great idea.
January 17th, 2006
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now you read it lol
January 17th, 2006
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Wow, you raise a lot of good points and ideas. I can't suggest anything, because I really don't know how it all works on the inside. The only thing I can suggest is to implement one thing at a time, and based on what takes less or gives more bandwith, per se.
January 17th, 2006
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can you at least let us use avatars or something similar in the forums? they still look boring.
January 18th, 2006
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I really like the idea of a dedicated content server for paid accounts. Also I assume it still stands that those who sponsored over $15 will be consiered paid already? Overall I really like the proposed changes.
January 18th, 2006
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define "modest" fee
January 18th, 2006
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*edit* modest fee to become a paid member
January 18th, 2006
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I love the weighted voting idea - as it is now, it seems the vast majority of votes are either 5 or 1 - might as well be binary. I thought a "voting pool" might be a solution (where each voter must use their alotted 2-,3-, & 4-star votes before getting a new set of 1- & 5-star votes)... but this weighting system sounds reasonable.
January 18th, 2006
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I used to pay for IGN to f*ck me in the *ss hey where's the beef puddin i am a little high todaynight.
January 18th, 2006
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Max, do you still do the "pay to get forum SN unbanned?"
January 18th, 2006
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How is the payment going to work Max? Please tell me there are other payment options besides credit card and over the internet.
January 18th, 2006
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The forum needs a shake up yeah, make it for the whole YTMND community, not a handful of 'oldschool' members who dont give a rats *ss about the sites created. Whats the point of a forum if its only for the 'elite'? That need to be fixed pronto.
January 18th, 2006
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There are a half dozen 'lol' forums they can f*ck off too anyway.
January 18th, 2006
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c u @ the subforum.
January 18th, 2006
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Can we still flame the noobs?
January 18th, 2006
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press start to play
January 18th, 2006
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I like it, except for one thing. There ought to be a way to counter poor moderators. The most automated way I can see working effectively is to add a report function to each moderator so that other users can report that moderator for acting immature, etc. Under this system, admins would need a way to view poor moderation reports and block certain users from moderating, or automatically prevent users from moderating after a certain number of reports. Additionally, this number could decay over time to allow the moderator a second chance.
January 18th, 2006
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For reference, my previous comment was referring to the "other option" that Max discussed. The 2.5 score/100 views/10 votes thing is way too oppressive. Some very controversial websites (i.e. jfkpatriot.ytmnd.com) receive low votes but should not necessarily be deleted.
January 18th, 2006
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Optional one-time fee? NOOOOOO, how could this happen to me, crawling in my skin, suffucation no breathing, etc.
January 18th, 2006
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PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD FIX THIS LOGIN TIME ISSUE!
January 18th, 2006
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Really, the thing that I'm looking forward to is the "true favorites" list. Just because something deserves a five doesn't make it a favorite.
January 18th, 2006
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ya, there's sites that deserve 5's, but I don't 5 them because I don't really want them on my favorites
January 18th, 2006
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I am looking forward to the changes you have planned ahead. Like I said before I'm all into getting a paid account, and if it means faster load times I'm even more excited!
January 18th, 2006
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What about letting users specify whether their site is WS or NWS during creation? Violators could be punished. Also in the last thread someone suggested having little icon "badges" for achievements like "Top Viewed" or "Hall of Fame" creations.
January 18th, 2006
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The site deletion still pose problems. There are a few good ytmnds out there that doesn't get exposion. We can't just delete them because it is rarely viewed.
January 18th, 2006
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Let's say more sexy words like AJAX and PHP.
January 18th, 2006
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I don't like the idea of paid accounts. It still feels like free account users has privilges taken away. I'm sure most of us is willing to accept a lot more ads on the page (like what Newgrounds does) in order to keep our accounts free. Oh, and please don't delete any YTMND hentai unless it is yaoi. LOL!!!!1111
January 18th, 2006
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Sounds great, I say, much better than before.
January 18th, 2006
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jesus, and you have a full time job too? (:V)
January 18th, 2006
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Rough figure on the 'paid' would be nice, and do my donations (about $17) count????
January 18th, 2006
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Needs more cowbell.
January 18th, 2006
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consider my pants, pooped. PLEASE. MAKE FLASH UPLOAD AN OPTION O GOD *ka splode*
January 18th, 2006
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hey I REALLY like the T-shirt idea for raising money for the site, kinda like Halo did with their fight the flood T's...except we wont donate the money. We could either get a poll going of the design to go with, or use the Sean Connery one, or even use a design from one of the "all the fads" ytmnd's... just a thought, but I know I wanted to buy a Fight the Flood T just because it was badass, but it was too late by the time I had heard about it. Well...one problem might be the whole profitting off of someone else's image. You'd have to look into that I guess.
January 18th, 2006
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Small problem with the T-Shirt idea... aside from the website logo, EVERYTHING else on here is copyrighted (At least anything that people would recognize/buy), and they'd want a piece of the profits for the T-Shirts, I'm sure (or just skip a step and sue you for making money off of them without permission), so I think we might want to save that for a last resort.
January 18th, 2006
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The Robots have taken me. Please send help.
January 18th, 2006
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Actually, now that I think about it, they'd probably have grounds for lawsuits if we even sold our YTMND logo, since their faces/material is the sole reason YTMND exists (IE: is being able to sell a T-Shirt)
January 18th, 2006
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I'm not sure I understand the part about the forums. Maybe I haven't been around long enough, but IMHO the forums have not been worth visiting. Too many people posting stupid sh*t like "lol cocks" and using sigs that are a mile long. I PRAY that's not the forum you're hoping to restore.
January 18th, 2006
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macks, again this is win and god
January 18th, 2006
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The flash idea sounds swell. And also make it easier to view this site in opera.
January 18th, 2006
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The only problem I see is what if a ytmnd gets really popular but the mods don't like it for some reason? It seems that the new fads will be determined by what the mods like. Other then that the changes look great, keep up the good work.
January 18th, 2006
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A possible prevention for downvoting is to force the first 5 or 10 voters on a site to also include a valid reason/explanation for their vote.
January 18th, 2006
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I like these ideas. I haven't been here long, but this has quickly become one of my favorite sites to use and visit. The site deletion bothers me only because often good sites get buried and not seen. I like the idea of having a queue of sites considered for deletion which we can then vote to ditch or save. The rest of the ideas sound good. Especially the weighted voting.
January 18th, 2006
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these changes sound great max, be careful how much you change the site. It may ruin the unique quality of YTMND.
January 18th, 2006
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Except.. now that I look at my recent votes.. I see I have voted all ones and fives. There are a couple of reasons why. One is that I often don't bother voting on pages I don't understand. Just because I don't get it doesn't mean it isn't good. I will also vote 5 to counter downvotes on a site I think deserves a better rating.
January 18th, 2006
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just give no power to the people that vote 1 all the time. 1s have a crippling effect on ytmnds. Where as a ytmnd that has had many 5s will eventually even out to a more true number once more people see it and can give it their honest vote.
January 18th, 2006
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not a lot of lol in this
January 18th, 2006
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New goal: moderate 50-100 sites a day. IT SHALL BE DONE.
January 18th, 2006
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I like this moderation scheme better than the last one. I think most people can generally identify which sites are appropriate and which ones are not. Also, the weighted voting system is genius. If you are really going to do all this, it looks like you've got your work cut out for you. I'd pay for it, though.
January 18th, 2006
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oh ya, i forgot that thing, the preloader would also be an extremely important improvement for it would allow users to watch an image/music synched sie withou having to reload it. I think this pre-loader should have two bars - an image loading bar and a sound loading bar with the percentage and image/sound total size and downloaded so far, like "X Kb of Y Kb" so a user can know if the site is huge or not in order to a void heavy (and sometimes useless) downloads.
January 18th, 2006
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Alot of your ideas sound good, but the auto-del takes this site out of the hands of its users. Humour is too subjective to be trusted in the hands of a select few. I understand the need for moderators but they shouldnt be all powerful, or their word final. I dunno, its really tricky, cause of the volume of new sites. But change is good, all power to you.
January 18th, 2006
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Hey, if we see a site that's dumb (like an inside joke or a lame gay fuel with somebody's friend's picture) should we nsfw it? Would this help, or is not a good idea?
January 18th, 2006
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BRB FBI
January 18th, 2006
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... there goes a narwhale!
January 18th, 2006
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Gee, I hate to be a total downer, but even if you do all that, it isn't going to make this site worthwhile. Hell I only visit it to laugh at the pathetic levels to which it can sink, then run away laughing.
January 18th, 2006
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^^^^^^^^ LOL GTFO
January 18th, 2006
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Sounds good.
January 18th, 2006
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If there were a assets->.swf conversion in the uploading, wouldn't Macromedia want some huge expensive license fee ?
January 18th, 2006
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In re: mods - you have already set out criteria for the kind of sites YTMND doesn't need - as long as these terms are clearly spelled out, & the mods are made to give a reason why they nix a site, & there's provision made for user feedback if they feel their site has was treated unfairly... that should be fair enough.
January 18th, 2006
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another suggest which i rly think will be a good idea....ive said this before, and i will really appreciate it if you consider.... For "USER LEVELS" I think that you should allow for user rankings. This can be done with pictures, letters, or numbers. In which case: LEVEL 1 - You have made a site. LEVEL 2 - Your site has made it to "Up and Coming" LEVEL 3 - Your site has made it to "Moderator's Favorites" LEVEL 4 - Your site has made it to "Top 15 Viewed" LEVEL 5 - Your site has made it to "Top 5 Rated" LEVEL 6 - Your site has made it to "Hall of Fame" -Just a suggestion. It is a motivation for people to make better sites. Also, it will add a fun and exciting element to ytmnd. I hope you will consider. -dr-nick
January 18th, 2006
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my suggestion: those old graphs showing average vote, etc, werent very good... but what about a pie chart that just shows what the average vote for the site is?
January 18th, 2006
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This I do like.
January 18th, 2006
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sounds good
January 18th, 2006
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Also I think teh irc is down! NOOOOOO
January 18th, 2006
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This sounds really good, much better than the auto delete feature for sites with an average vote of less than 2.5. I think the "# !" should be an optional feature available for people who have a YTMND account, and the "YTMND" logo should be the default view for anyone. (Including people logged in who haven't chosen the "# !" view option. Alot of these options are good ideas, but I think the flash sites should be optional for those who want a site where a refresh should be nessisary. People sometimes download the image or sound to modify it. I think you mentioned some sort of fix for this in the last post. But I'm really liking the weighted voting.
January 18th, 2006
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Don't delete sites based on rating. That way all the e-vengers with 50 accounts win. Srsly. Other than that, everything looks great.
January 18th, 2006
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Oh, also, I HIGHLY suggest you don't give users privelidges (sp?) based on popularity of sites. You and I both know that 95% of popular sites are total sh*t. I'd say let the moderators have some say in what sites are good, since moderators aren't as f*cking stupid as most YTMND users. Of course, you'll have the final say, but a parliamentary kind of thing would work quite nicely, methinks.
January 18th, 2006
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So I'm the only one who finds the corner logo useful?
January 18th, 2006
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And there's no liscence fee at all to play with swf as far as I know.
January 18th, 2006
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I agree with adverb. Plus viewhacking gets ites noticed pretty easy so giving people with popular site isn't nesscessarily a good idea.
January 18th, 2006
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vote-weighting might not work for people who only logon to vote when something really snazzy comes along...then again, I suppose their votes /should/ have less power o_o so I guess vote-weighting is a good idea
January 18th, 2006
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Good to see cookies work, .... oh wait
January 18th, 2006
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blah blah turnin in to ebaums world
January 18th, 2006
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So i'm not allowed to vote onle with 1's and 5's?
January 18th, 2006
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http://hqthumbz.com
January 18th, 2006
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the unknown ytmnd sounds bomb. maybe for once something that's not future conan or wow-related can make the list.
January 18th, 2006
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ZekeySpaceyLizard wrote: "PLEASE. MAKE FLASH UPLOAD AN OPTION O GOD *ka splode*" Then what difference between ytmnd.com and newgrounds.com would remain? The advantage of ytmnd.com is that Free tools can be used to make a site.
January 18th, 2006
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I noticed that you recently put the rating system on a new IP address, and I would infer, a new server. Is this the fresh wind of change I'm feeling?
January 18th, 2006
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All in all, it sounds like a pretty decent plan.
January 18th, 2006
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Requiring sound and image origins is a great idea. Weighted Voting sounds good but there really is a lot of crap out there and I've become less tolerant of sites that use the same damn sounds over and over again. I'm frugal with 5s, too. But I do give more than 1s and 5s regularly, so I guess it would balance out.
January 18th, 2006
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NEW LAYOUT IS CRAP!
January 18th, 2006
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new layout?
January 18th, 2006
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I think the current layout's been around for a month or so now. No reason to complain about it. Plus, it's svelte.
January 18th, 2006
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Seeing as so many sites use the same fad music, wouldn't it make sense to have the option of choosing from existing fad music, rather than having one hundred different sites with the same mp3 of the Super Mario credits? Sure, it might be encouraging bad sites, but with autodeletion those will go away fast enough. Also, in the meanwhile, you've saved all sorts of room on the server by not hosting duplicate copies of the same file.
January 18th, 2006
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Max, the fact that you listened to our feedback and responded and modifyed your plan means a lot to me as a ymtnd user. Thank you.
January 18th, 2006
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Weighted voting sounds good to me. It would pwn the pwner. :o I would also buy a shirt if you sold more. User levels based on how yours sites have done also sounds interesting. Just make them take past sites into consideration, because I doubt I'll ever have the #1 spot on the top 15 again lol.
January 18th, 2006
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Origin requirements really are necessary. At present, creators go to all the work of assembling a good website, but as a user, it still infuriates me when they don't cite their sources. Am I to assume that they're lazy? Am I to assume that they did every single piece of creative work on the website? f*ck that.
January 18th, 2006
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"Also, in the meanwhile, you've saved all sorts of room on the server by not hosting duplicate copies of the same file." Very good thinking. I think that is a very smart idea.
January 18th, 2006
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I already use a CRC/Hashing system so that I only store one copy of duplicate files and it has saved a lot of room.
January 18th, 2006
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That might be a good idea, Mech. Then again, it might not be. Logistically, it's an awesome idea. Realistically, it enables people with even less creativity create spam sites. With moderation this would work out better, but I believe that if you use fad music, it should be more difficult to avoid auto-deletion (i.e. double moderation requirements). That way, we don't see a dearth of creativity inflating the site and making it less interesting.
January 18th, 2006
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Ah, and from what Max says, it appears that this is already happening behind the scenes. I'd prefer it not be added to the site creation process.
January 18th, 2006
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I definately intend on being a paid user whatever the benefits are. I spend so much time on YTMND, any benefit at all will mean a lot to me. Of course, that's only if the fee is reasonable. I'd like to pay no more than 15 dollars, although I'd expect the fee to be around 5-10. You can keep your automatic site deletion idea, but change it around a bit. Instead of 2.5 being the cutoff rating, make it 1.5. Instead of 1,000 views being the cutoff rating, make it 2,000 views...etc. About the forum, I'm one of the veterans and I disliked the fact that the other veterans shunned the main site. I think that's foolish of them. It's extremely nice of you to give them their own subforum, when they're a bunch of jerks. The Flash idea sounds great.
January 18th, 2006
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*Correction, I didn't mean to make the number higher, I meant to make it lower (1000 to 500, not 1000 to 2000). I think you should give underviewed and underrated YTMNDs a chance, because I think a lot of the popular sites are crap, and a lot of the unpopular sites are way better. I approve of the 'Unknown YTMNDs' idea.
January 18th, 2006
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http://opentmnd.sourceforge.net/ C'mon, you know you want to. p.s. thx
January 18th, 2006
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lol a lot of good ideas. I especially liked the idea where the sites that have less than 50 views (or something like that), cycle through the main page, allowing everyone to see them. Cuz there are a lot of good ytmnd's out there that aren't getting the credit they deserve =D
January 18th, 2006
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leave the damn corner logo as it is. Its not that distracting and it clues people in to the fact that ytmnd is bigger than fragmented sites around the internet.
January 18th, 2006
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Sounds Great
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max you put so much work into this i jsut wanted to say thanks for creating something so addictive to take away my pain. and tell E-Bum he can rot in hell
January 18th, 2006
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http://pabpenis.ytmnd.com/
January 18th, 2006
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Toilet: you are cruising for a banning.
January 18th, 2006
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my bad
January 18th, 2006
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About SWF uploading...do you really think giving users the ability to autospawn popups is really a good idea? SWFs should probably have to go through an admission process before being accepted. Viewhacking a flash that autospawns a porn site means lots of people getting in trouble at work/school.
January 18th, 2006
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I'm 100% behind an "Unknown" list. That's a great idea. As to the forums, the old "Darwinian nightmare" system did cover YTMNDs. It was only when the front page became fad-hell that the anti-frontpage sentiment began. If you pursue the quality over quantity thing you were talking about the forums would talk about it. sh*t, even almightylol (wonder if that's censored) posts YTMNDs in their forums. It was never about a "secret internet club." It was about having a spot where people have some damn STANDARDS. The flash idea is neat, but it'd be a sea change in content. I imagine you've got at least SOME beef with the "f*ggy short film" format if you made my site a mod favorite. Flash is only going to accomodate that ugly trend further.
January 18th, 2006
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I never said anything about uploading flash. I was talking about converting mp3/wav INTO flash so there wasn't a need to set up quicktime or mediaplayer to get things to work.
January 18th, 2006
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I think you guys misunderstand what he's saying about SWF. He's talking about doing a server-side conversion of audio and using that to develop a pre-loader for those long loading pages that always have (Refresh) in the titles. That way we don't have to sit and watch a choppy, crappy version of a fairly short gif, like (and this is opinion) "G-man is having a wonderful time," etc.
January 18th, 2006
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That too. Thx max.
January 18th, 2006
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I'm not entirely familiar with the previous forum situation. However, from what I've read on the forums and the events that took place, it seems like the forums were more about controlling the standards for websites rather than allowing the system to resolve its own problems. The main site always had standards; it's just that they weren't the standards that some people liked (fads, anyone?). Everything is subjective.
January 18th, 2006
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I think we should be able to report down voters (I'm looking at you, the pwner).
January 18th, 2006
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I demand that only moderators ban downvoters like tehpwner2. Plus I want an alternative to pay OTHER than Paypal!
January 18th, 2006
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I agree wholeheartedly on the "unknown YTMNDs" list.
January 18th, 2006
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onoes don't take away my power to upvote!
January 18th, 2006
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I said ONLY ban DOWNvoters. I don't care about what the upvoters do.
January 18th, 2006
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Once agian, most of it sounds good. The moderation thing s a little weird though. Although I still don't like the "paid accounts" idea, if you do have to pay at least its only once. MAX RULES
January 18th, 2006
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Who's side are you on Eva? As far as i'm concerned you're just a supreme animu f*g who tried to Gaianize the YTMND forums.
January 18th, 2006
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I think the ideas on voting is good. Typically a YTMND only gets a score that's averaged between the 5s and 1s.
January 18th, 2006
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First!!! Woo Hoo!!!11!!1OneHundredEleven
January 18th, 2006
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hmmm, some sounds good, but i dont like paying >:( but nice points there.
January 18th, 2006
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hey I'm still logged on after shuting down!!! @#$%^$#%#@@$#%@$#% this is a miracle!
January 18th, 2006
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Is login cookie-based now?
January 18th, 2006
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oh yeah, I forgot to mention. The login/cookie problem is fixed.
January 18th, 2006
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By the way, user moderation doesn't work. My average SFW site has like... seven times the NSFW votes. Why? Because raged little kids aren't happy enough with one-starring. Also, for an immediate improvement to the site, ban everybody who's ever said "ban downvoters." If they don't understand the value of standards, f*ck 'em. They're just the "quantity over quality" crowd, and YOU KNOW IT. SEARCH YOUR FEELINGS.
January 18th, 2006
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AmonPaaradul, sure, it's all subjective, but not to the point of total equality and loss of all value judgments. To use an example I used before, the vast majority of people still think Mozart is a better composer than anyone in A Simple Plan. Sure, there's going to be some dissent, but who's it coming from? Is a 12-year-old girl the best authority? Is "Because the singer's so hot" a respectable argument? There's always room for differing opinions, but it doesn't mean that some opinions aren't strictly for retards.
January 19th, 2006
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Totally agree Ink I wouldn't downvote sites if I were given something to look at that entertained me. Sure I haven't made a good site but why would I waste my time? The sh*t sitemakers would come charging at me with one stars because they're upset that someone told them the truth about their site.
January 19th, 2006
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It sounds good and everything, one thing that i would add if i were you is a better rating system. Don't get me wrong, the 5 star method is good but kinda too low of a range. What i mean by this is that about 2/3's of the sites are 3 or 4 star sites. This means that you have thousands of ratings that are 3.56,4.57,3.89,4.23,3.76,3.39. For a better rating system, use the old school 1 through 10. With this said in mind, it would be easier for users to view the high rating sites that they want to. If you had the ten star raiting system like i said, you can view all the high rating videos which would be in the 8's, 9's, and 10 area and would be very easy for user's to find. Everything with the 5 star rating system is good but like i said before, not a large enough range to rate these sites. Thats all i gotta say and if you want to see a really funny video, type in "Ernie commited Suicide" its a good site...later Max
January 19th, 2006
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^ I've thought about that before I don't think it would be good for the site! It may throw everything out of wack. Can you replace all the 5's with 10's and all the 4's with 8's and so on? I wouldn't think so.
January 19th, 2006
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I mean of course you could but you'd think that all the old sites would either be killed or rated much higher then any new ones by the way people would vote. You probably wouldn't get many people rating in the 3-8 range.
January 19th, 2006
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Make sense?
January 19th, 2006
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Pwner's got a point. Most of the site may hate him, but at the end of the day, who's the one sucking up your bandwidth, storage space, etc? Mostly the people who hate him. People like MrKhan and JoshCube and the (thankfully banned) Chav Slayer.
January 19th, 2006
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Anyone care to clear the air on why good old Chavvy was banned?
January 19th, 2006
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^^ f*cked if i know.
January 19th, 2006
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Yeah, I've been wondering that myself. I mean, I sure don't MISS the unoriginal douchebag, but yeah. If we're taking bets, I'm gonna say lots of accounts.
January 19th, 2006
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PondScum said it well the other day "Biggest Asskisser on the Site." He most definetaly was up there! He seemed to think his sites would land in top 5 if he sucked enough dick. Anyways back to the real issues!
January 19th, 2006
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Max, what about a hall of fads. If you were to put all the sites that started fads on a single page (eg. Inkdrinker's Gay fuel, wtfuxz's OMG, Secret Nazi... etc.) it would make people more aware of who introduced them to the site. Then people could stop saying stuff like '- 4 for overused sound' on a site that was the first to use it.
January 19th, 2006
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Might as well. That's all the Hall of Fame is right now. Though more accurately it's the "Hall of the First 2 Fads and All Fads Made After, Like, September 2005 and, thus, Benefited From the Massive Influx of Users." Blue ball machine? Distant memory. People are STILL making Gay Fuel sites. And I've seen some in Up and Coming and Top 5 in the past week, too.
January 19th, 2006
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I strongly strongly encourage weighted voting. All this stuff seems great now. Complained about blamming before but I see it is a necessary evil now...
January 19th, 2006
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tehpwner: "they're upset that someone told them the truth about their site." - oh screw you and your 'truth', with people like me you've put a grudge in your head that isnt there and just 1 everything in site. inkdrinker is honest, you're not. you get off on being the one everyone hates and its just sad. i dont hate you, i just think you're pathetic, and the reason you dont make sites is because, unlike inkdrinker, you probably couldnt make a good one if you tried. if you gave a crap about ytmnd you'd make one despite getting it downvoted to hell... you can make fun of Chav-Slayer all you want but theres a reason you had your account deleted.
January 19th, 2006
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Hey punk! I never oned all your sites do not get your knickers in a knot.
January 19th, 2006
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I don't have money. Can I just give you a hummer instead Max? I give a mean hummer...
January 19th, 2006
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actually, yes you did, before your last account got banned... i remember it well "took me forever to 1 all yoru sites"... took a look at your recent vote history, and surely enough, you did... anyways - the point is, and let me make it clear, is that if you honestly think something sucks, fine - but unlike adverb or inky, i dont believe you - you just downvote to get off. if there were less people downvoting for fun like you, other people might be more honest about their votes. instead, people like me are more generous because we know there are too many people like you out there.
January 19th, 2006
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Hey Sitsu! HIGH FIVE!
January 19th, 2006
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Hey wait a minute you upvote in the hope that people will return the favour and you can be real famous!! Evryone wubs u here, plz 5 ma sites plz!!
January 19th, 2006
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sure, whatever. high 5.
January 19th, 2006
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Woohoo
January 19th, 2006
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^^ Lawl internet fight
January 19th, 2006
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lol bistander with no penis, jk jk!
January 19th, 2006
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What are the word filters in place? I had a ytmnd with the word "advertisor" in the title which wouldn't show up in the Top 15. It did after I changed it to "Sponsor" on a hunch but soon after it too disapeared from the list. :( http://mcytmnd.ytmnd.com/
January 19th, 2006
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This is like me vs. syncan - comments like a couple weeks ago. I don't think it's possible for anyone to vote with 100% neutrality, but I'm going to have to point out that pwner has voted sites higher than 1 that aren't part of the "jocks club." Does he hold grudges? There's no way for me to know. But he does occasionally boost things that aren't by me or my fellow iconoclastic hate-sponges. (And he doesn't 5 all my sites either.)
January 19th, 2006
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no net fight here... re: vote weighting... so are some peoples votes going to be worth more based on seniority or by how they vote? or would it be something like you start off only being allowed to vote a certain range and you can 'earn' the right to downvote when you become a regular user? i never could understand the multiple account moderation, how fast people get caught or if the votes they made are truly deleted. sometimes i think , for better or worse, an all paid ytmnd could be in the future, like the SA forums are. it keeps people from making multiple accounts, or abusing the one they have. no matter which direction it goes theres bound to be bugs and problems... my only other concern is that if there are changes in voting, etc that benefits new sites, the old classics will get unfairly buried. que sera sera.
January 19th, 2006
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I'm 100% for paid accounts. A tiny price like 5 bucks and Max suddenly gets a huge cash flow and the people that're old enough to have some damn sense get more features.
January 19th, 2006
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^what do you think the risk of an all paid YTMND would be? i dont think we'd lose the more popular posters and addicts, and i think it would affect the overall scores of a lot of sites in a positive way, but so many great sites come from 'idiot savants' who stumble upon something great who otherwise might not sign up, or make two sites and then disappear... that rkelly/milton remix has half a million views and that user has only two sites and barely any votes... begs the question - does the site success really depend on the number of members?
January 19th, 2006
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I'd say that up to a point, the site's quality is INVERSELY proportionate to the number of members. You can't nurture a subculture into growing new ideas when every week, a thousand more people think 175k Star Wars is this amazing brand new joke and register because they have this awesome idea to use the Dragonforce wav over it instead. You just can't nurture the development of new stuff on a site this big. We've reached fad overkill phase 2 now where not only is original content easily outpopulated by fads, but even new fads have the damndest time picking up. We haven't had anything positively huge since Brian Peppers. Future Conan was a flash in the pan, Yiddish Cup is fading (and just isn't made of the stuff that has any permanance.) The last huge thing we had was Brian Peppers. Notice how the popular sites right now are almost entirely conglomerates of old fads - sites that try to sum up YTMND via its fads? That's because rehashing the old is all that's left to do now.
January 19th, 2006
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There are just too many users pushing the site to too fast a pace for anything to possibly get traction now. To get another site on the level of Picard now (in terms not just of visits but of respect, longevity, influence, etc) would require days and days of forum whoring. That or the memetic force of 10 Gay Fuel fads. Basically we're at a point now where even the "pop" sh*t is being destroyed by numbers.
January 19th, 2006
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^i agree with you there. i like my Runaway YTMND and everything... but I know I have sites better than that... when a newspaper clipping about a ytmnd fad in a student newspaper is a bigger deal than supporting something new... problem... its why i had to bribe people to be in "lounge club"... at least its something new. i dont want to compare to WWF/WWE wrestling because someones jsut going to say 'huh huh wrestling is gay'... but i think it holds water: wrestling was able to get big in the late 90s becuase since there were smaller arenas, characters got over easier... smaller crowd = easier to get a chant going and make someone stand out. YTMND is like wrestling in the sense that characters need to 'get over' for a fad to be thrive. Milton or Khan or any of this stuff wouldnt survive long being introduced today, just as in wrestling new characters dont do well in WWE because their crowds are too big for a chant to stand out... now things get chewed up and spit out in weeks. remember Marguerite Perrin?
January 19th, 2006
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the other problem (or is it a problem?) with all these users is that if a fad does start, theres enough people that someone can make something popular enough right away that it basically 'ends' the fad. you know... why bother when soandso did it as good as its going to get... as for the forums, so long as i've been on ytmnd i've never ever found them useful for anything other than having to scroll through several pages of bill cosby's head and pictures of the french chick from harry potter. was there ever a time the forums actually helped ytmnd?
January 19th, 2006
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Yeah. The numbers not only discourage quality, but reward worse stuff. Sitsu DOES have better sites than Runaway. And I have better sites than my highest rated ones. (Some of my best aren't even 2 stars.) To look at it another way, look at the scores of sites in the top 5. It used to be pushing over the 4 mark was enough to get there. Now you have to have like a 4.5 I saw a guy with a 4.49 get pushed off the top 5. That's not a reflection of higher-achieving sites. It's a reflection of just how powerful a wave of idiots can be. Weighted voting can be nice, but you'd have to give people who vote a variety a HUGE extra weight in order to offset the people who think a 5 isn't a reward, but a common courtesy - an entitlement. See the sites of people complaining about "downvoters." Some mention "now I think I'm a good site maker and I upvote everybody," like that was some kind of positive. Like never telling someone that they suck is some kind of community service. Like a 5-star is a natural right from birth.
January 19th, 2006
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Oh come on you guys I've been saying this exact thing for ages! We need a new thing to look at here!! Not a combination of all the old stuff that is funny when you leave it alone. We need a new thing to treasure and put in a box where it stays and is not tampered with!!
January 19th, 2006
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As to the forums, I'd say they offically went downhill right after the Natalee Holloway "raids." It simultaneously recast the forums' purpose as something seperate from the front page and also brought in a lot of wannabe e-soldiers from the front page. (Yes - all this ebaums garbage was amateur hour, and six months late.) Gay Fuel? Forums creation. Asiacopter? Forums creation. I ran a thread telling people what tons of YTMND sound origins were. Site critique could give a site a second chance after it was bumped from the Last 5. Front page mods? Pulled from the forums. The forums didnt' become a wasteland until the front page did. They're just easy to single out because fixing them involves pissing off way fewer people than fixing the front page.
January 19th, 2006
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its hard to hate the Upvoter because he has no illusions about he's doing. he upvotes without even looking... some of the downvoters though, like i said, i just dont believe some of them. in some cases it is a matter of taste or disagreement about what ytmnd should be about.. but when i see a site that has a good amount of craft put into it, i will probably NOT 1 it even if it isnt funny or rewatchable at all. but then again, i'm a professional illustrator (secrets out) so i'm just that way when it comes to work. i'm easier to please than say... you. :P i see ytmnd as art and dont think anything with a lto of care put into it deserves a 1. but i do also miss the days where 4.2 - 4.3 was the high mark... a lot of true classics are treading water at 4.15 right now and have been ignored by the new wave of voters. if "stop the rock" or "wheres my burrito" were out today things'd be pretty different... in december 'burrito' was still around the top 5. now its like... page 6 or so of the top rated...
January 19th, 2006
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okay, my last comment of the night (oh late night conversations): my biggest pet peeve of ytmnd lately though is that classic style ytmnds are not appreciated. sure i think they were starting to get tapped out, and while i'm certainly no purist, its sad to see people leave comments now like 'wheres the animation' or not understanding the original ytmnd site or some of the other mod faves. sync has to be PERFECT. i'm not saying 'we must make more classic style ytmnds!' but it would be nice if more people at least respected ytmnds roots...
January 19th, 2006
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"unknown ytmnds" list. This is a f*cking great idea. It would really help some of the lost YTMND's that get lost in the shuffle while things like the ebaums debacle is going on.
January 19th, 2006
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I'll admit to being an upvoter, as you say... but it's not for the reason you say... it's because of those climbing score needs. I want my favourite sites to get higher and that's why I vote 5's for them. Alas, a problem that perpetuates a problem, I suppose...
January 19th, 2006
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Max, you sellout! You've abandoned everything this site was ever about just for your precious sponsors and their money. I for one will not stand it! 'Ridin Spinnaz' must be brought back!
January 19th, 2006
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i just saw the "FLASH" possiblility... as sonic would say: that's no good. YTMND is good because of the basicness: Image, text, sound... flash complicates that. anyone can make a ytmnd the way it is now, flash will raise the technical requirements for what people consider "good" ytmnds
January 19th, 2006
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How about instead of the top 5 remaining static all the time, its replaced with a "Top Sites" window that rotates sites in the top 3 pages or so?
January 19th, 2006
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The only problem I have with the weighed voting idea is that most times I only vote on sites that I have a strong opinion about. I will vote a five of sites that I love and typically a 2 or a 3 on sites that I find dumb and the occasional 1. From what I understand, the fact that most of my votes are 5s with 2s and 1s mixed in, my votes will count as less. I find that unfair. Should I?
January 19th, 2006
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Hey tehpwner, do you downvote sites just because you can or just the sites you don't like?
January 19th, 2006
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you should make lyk a "TOP 10 USERS" list......you find the average of every users site rankings.....and the top 10 user's averages go in that list.....except you would have to do lyk, only their sites with at least 20 votes are added into the average....or sumthin lyk that
January 19th, 2006
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cool updates, but keep the limited characters to 256 not 512, that way people cant post "MAX IS A JEW" several hundred times in size 72 pt font. also the site creation idea with the deletion (of less than 100 view or > than 2.5 is a great idea)
January 19th, 2006
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and with the site moderation, allow anybody to vote on recently created sites to vote from the main page (that might encourage more people to vote, rather than to have 3 votes out of 150 views)
January 19th, 2006
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i completly agree with ottervomit ^^
January 19th, 2006
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FLASH is also a good idea, that way you dont have to crack Photoshop or buy it for 600$
January 19th, 2006
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Ottervomit has a good point.
January 19th, 2006
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this all sounds great, with the exception of flash support. one of the things that makes ytmnd ytmnd is that its strength is drawn from its simplicity. picture. sound. text. works on old browsers. works without plugins. a bunch of vector animation and loading screens would rob ytmnd of its quintessential charm.
January 19th, 2006
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Thing is, downvoters are just going to nominate sites they doin't like for unessesary moderation.
January 19th, 2006
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And for once I agree with KingCrimson. A "Top Users" list is going to lead to more bitter kids backstabbing each other to climb the list, and more people being rewarded for sub-par work because they're recognized on the list. Being recognized ANYWHERE on the front page is your ticket to undeserved accolades. But every improvement and tweak is just a stopgap measure to dealing with the real problem: the place is just too damn big to sustain a creative culture. As I'm posting, ALL FIVE top 5 are related directly to YTMND. We've got so many people that the lowest common denominator is pushed all the way down to "YTMND." It's the only thing we all have in common, so it's all that succeeds anymore. Do we really want a site where 100% of the content is totally self-referential?
January 19th, 2006
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no top users list... ever been to that RateMyBody site? ranking users will not only create bitterness, it will cause top rated people to probably whore themselves out for votes so they can keep their spot... "top users" - bad bad idea... if YTMND wants to create some users hall of fame or something, do it in wikipedia, not here.
January 19th, 2006
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I agree with my colleagues before me that individual member rankings are a bad idea. There are already too many troubles with voting and site rankings alone to get that to function fairly.
January 19th, 2006
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the flash will be a double edged sword. it will make it more difficult for users to make duplicate sites by just saving pictures and sounds from others, but it will also prevent legit users from downloading sounds and pictures they want.
January 19th, 2006
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actually, if many (or most) sites turn to flash, i would probably stop reading the site. :-(
January 19th, 2006
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One reason why i bought a YTMND shirt was that i thought part of the money would in essence be a "donation" to ytmnd. If you implement a pay structure, people who bought shirts should not have to pay for the new features.
January 19th, 2006
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I'm still sicking with my "shout-out" box idea. An alternative would be a box on the first page with 10 YTMND which would have to fill the requirements: 1) To be more than a week old, and 2) To have the least views (zero usually) of all YTMNDs, so as not to make the sites fall into oblivion too quickly the list could be updated only in a 5 minute interval. (btw, max, you should encourage users to watch and rate these YTMNDs asap)
January 19th, 2006
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And Crimson's batting 2-for-2 in this thread!
January 19th, 2006
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People who bought shirts got something for their money, people who donate have got more or less nothing. All profits from shirts went to hosting and buying new servers.
January 19th, 2006
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hey, KingCrimson,just because a person is the owner of a popular site that doesn't mean he's a super intelligent god *cough* bauman *cough*. Max is asking for feedback, that's what the users are giving him, max is just a normal person, he's not a public relations/economics genius (i'm guessing)
January 19th, 2006
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Also make a section where we click on something and it makes it so we get to be Batman in real life.
January 19th, 2006
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We should make it so you have to have a 1 month old account in order to make YTMNDs, and in that month you have to have voted on ~100 other YTMNDs. Also, we should ban anybody whose 5-to-everythingelse ratio is more than 10:1. And that's being reaaaaally lenient.
January 19th, 2006
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fix the search
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I must agree humbly with inkdrinker here...the fact that a lot of original good ytmnds (which mine aren't, so don't come back with that) are buried under a massive pile of fad rehashing and conglomerates of YTMND. Don't get me wrong, some of these more original ones are fine. Its when you see random badly done photoshopping of brian peppers onto other people's faces with the annoying as hell fad music 99 out of 100 times a day on ytmnd, you know a site is stagnated. I think limiting site creation after certain user requirements are met is a great start to fixing this
January 19th, 2006
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I don't think site creation should be limited to those who've been members for a month or whatever, that means new members will lose interest and the site will stagnate. It is sad, though, how much crap is produced. We need an updated "guide to making sites that don't suck." I'm so tired of ytmnds that consist of old pics from fark or something awful w/ requiem for a dream music.
January 19th, 2006
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whoa, inkdrinker exists, i thought he was a robot, maybe he is...THERE ARE NO WOMEN ON YTMND, MALE TRIUMPH MUAHAHAHA!
January 19th, 2006
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Perhaps a way to detect duplicate ytmnds based on image file size?
January 19th, 2006
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...man, my comment was dumb, i must go flagelate (sp?) myself
January 19th, 2006
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flagellate.
January 19th, 2006
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that's the one!
January 19th, 2006
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flash....aww man, i think only haivng image, sound,text really defibnes ytmnd personally, when you add flash into the equation you'll get the llamas in increased numbers IMHO
January 19th, 2006
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ahh, just scrolled through the huge list of comments, noticed your post mr max and yup the flash idea makes a lot of sense now. I believe php has some flash functions which will help you out in this matter.
January 19th, 2006
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You're still right about the objections to flash, though. Accomodating the "refresh to sync" YTMNDs is only going to make them happen more often, and continue to lead this place into de-evolution into Newgrounds.
January 19th, 2006
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Boo on flash, the way to make good ytmnd films/with a plot is to create slideshows like this masterpiece http://meetmitch.ytmnsfw.com/
January 19th, 2006
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To-do: YOUR SISTER
January 19th, 2006
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RE: the sponsored site front page time: HELL Yes.
January 19th, 2006
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I like where this is going! And the 2nd solution for the moderation and deletion things looks nice. DRAGOH APPROVES!
January 19th, 2006
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yeah ferreal
January 19th, 2006
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i nkow i'm a little late on the "tehpwner2" barrage, but like honestly. He 1'ed a good site that most people 5'd, i think it was "spy on your friends" or something. WEll anyways he says "not top 5 material" so he 1's it. Now with that said, woudl he have oned it if it had a score of like 3 and not popular? i don't think so. Would he say "kiron = auto 1) on all my sites after i called him out for it? i don't think so. You say you vote everything fairly and crap, but the fact of the matter is, your a grudge holder and if anyone pisses you off in the slightest you go on a downvote rampage. 1 all my sites if you want, but to 1 truely great sites like "willy wonka's acid trip" is just plain stupid, how can you justify a 1 rating....
January 19th, 2006
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Oh hey, I just had a good idea regarding sponsoring. Make it so there's a "sponsors" box somewhere on the front page. In said box will spawn 5 random YTMNDs from sponsoring users. The likelihood your YTMND will pop up will be your total donation amount divided by the grand total donation amount, minus yours (max's) of course. That way the more you donate, the more hits your sites get. Of course, this should probably be split into SFW and NSFW categories.
January 19th, 2006
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it seems max has fixed the login issue, because i've stayed logged in for over a day. before, i could only stay logged in for about an hour
January 19th, 2006
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yeah i aparently stay constantly logged in, which was weird for the first few times i checked the site because i got used to habitually logging in. Way to go max.
January 19th, 2006
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I've been logged in for like two days and my computer was turned off for like 12 hours.
January 19th, 2006
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max tell that gay n****r snaxe (that rhymes) to unban me from irc, he's f*cking stupid and he touches children in their no-no spots and tell them that he's doing the lord's will. oh yeah he said you smell so unban me plz.
January 19th, 2006
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Kiron! I don't hold grudges at all! Yes I said Kiron = Auto 1 on a couple of your sites but that was a joke to annoy you and it obviously worked cause of the attitude of your post! I haven't oned all your sites infact I think I 4ed one of them! I have oned all of some users accounts but I make sure to check them before hand to see if it is fair of me to give that rating!! If you're a c*nt to me like you have been it is harder for me to give a good rating!!
January 19th, 2006
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speak softly, big stick, etc
January 19th, 2006
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^^ Who would you be talkiing to matey?
January 19th, 2006
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Things I'd like to see: Submission 1. Accept Ogg Vorbis for audio, and limit the size of WAVs because they could be made much smaller with any compression. 2. "PNG files (transparency only supported on Firefox)" isn't true; transparency only isn't supported by IE. 3. Suggest optimizing with something like OptiPNG before uploading/linking. 4. You could take bandwidth of YTMND by allowing to link to images/sound from places like ImageShack instead of uploading. 5. Perhaps when support is better accepting SVGs and MNGs. Commenting: 1. Make the comment box bigger. 2. Add editing for everyone. I think Flash would be horrible until Gnash (http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/gnash/) fully supports SWF7.
January 19th, 2006
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Does Ogg Vorbis loop properly? You wouldn't think so because of the tag data at the end of the file!
January 19th, 2006
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Max, there is one thing that needs to be addressed. Habitual Downvoters/Up Voters. In order to prevent abuse of a potential delete by low ratings system, there needs to be some sort of weight to a vote. Similar to what Newgrounds employs, to avoid people making accounts for downvoting/upvoting, by making newbie votes worth less, and YTMND veteran votes worth more. Also have some sort of 5 or 10 vote limit of any one type of vote, for a certain period of time. This will prevent a user from making too many 1 or 5 votes within a certain length of time. Finally, there needs to be some final review of a site by an unbiased/non 12 year old admin who'll seriously consider the truth of the matter over a rating.
January 19th, 2006
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Maybe add something that categorizes YTMNDS by fads. Something that puts all the fads in one easy to find place.
January 20th, 2006
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^ Agreed! Also ensignmpls have you had your sites downvoted by anyone?
January 20th, 2006
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"Does Ogg Vorbis loop properly? You wouldn't think so because of the tag data at the end of the file!" I just looped a Vorbis with metadata using MPlayer and it worked fine.
January 20th, 2006
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Coolies thanks for the info!
January 20th, 2006
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Well, I've had a few that were ranking 3+ with one that was actually sitting at 5 for a few days, then someone downvoted it hard to a 3, and now it's a 3.9 Like I effing care right now, but if the new rules Max proposes comes into effect, it'll be just like when NG didn't have tight controls on voting, when a good flash went 1 and out in a matter of minutes for all the wrong reasons. Just need some safeguards in place.
January 20th, 2006
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Not to say my stuff is masterpiece material, I just usually throw stuff on the walls and see if it sticks in a pattern that is pleasing to the eye.
January 20th, 2006
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I dun know about the whole veterancy voting thing. Wouldn't that create a monopoly on who decides what is and isn't a good site?
January 20th, 2006
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sk0re.
January 20th, 2006
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This weighted voting thing may encourage people to make multiple accounts!!
January 20th, 2006
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Here's a way you might be able to turn the petty bickering *ssholes into some cash. Allow people to "unsponsor" a site. Let's say there's a site sponsored to the tune of 20 bucks right now. If I really hate that site, I can pay like... 25 bucks to unsponsor it off the list (and 5 bucks for good measure.) That could be cool.
January 20th, 2006
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^ Haha funniest comment of the day
January 20th, 2006
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I figured out why my YTMND wasn't showing up in the Top 10 yesterday. Even the slightest edit at all will make it void. That's no good. Max how big of an issue is Top 15 tampering anyways? Isn't that what mods are for? If anything, edits allow a good ytmnd to become even better.
January 20th, 2006
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Instead my mcytmnd.ytmnd.com, which I spent lots of time on languishes in obscurity because I had the nerve to fix the loop and make it seamless.
January 20th, 2006
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This site definitely needs more e-drama. There's not enough.
January 20th, 2006
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for the love of the awesome god in heaven above don't make this newgrounds thanks
January 20th, 2006
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Okay, how about this then. For the first 6 minths, a member has his voting habits monitored. If there is an excess of 5 or 1 votes in a row, or it looks like it's all 1s or 5s, that person loses voting priveledges. In other words, only people with actual votes get their votes in. Also, there needs to be a report function for any critiques. Simply put, there are too many f*gs leaving their crap in the comments. Well, f*gs and illiterate morons who forgot their yiddish cups.
January 20th, 2006
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hmmm... a lot of people say you should have to leave a comment, but the problem there is that its not worth commenting on everything... what if you had to hit the 'enter' button on the comments section to make your vote count? it would get rid of anonymous downvoters, but at the same time, every new site would have a high rating because everyones scared to openly downvote popular sites.
January 20th, 2006
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Something you'll have to take into account with weighted votes, though: They'll have to be weighted so that the norm is very bottom-heavy. Think of it this way: 90% of the sites are total sh*t right? (Closer to 99, but let's say 90.) Then the truly balanced voter is going to give 1s to 90% of sites. If votes weigh more for users who have a normal distribution of votes (averaging 3 stars,) then you're giving extra voting clout to people who reward mediocrity.
January 20th, 2006
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Moderators, sponsors, whatever, the true spirit of YTMND will always be spinning penises.
January 20th, 2006
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It seems like the problem people are downvoters or upvoters. So people who vote with 1s AND 5s aren't causing the problem. You should just make it so that people who vote the same thing all of the time lose out, but people who vote 1 half the time and 5 half the time don't.
January 20th, 2006
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Do you really think half the sites here deserve 5? If so, leave now.
January 20th, 2006
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No, of course not. But most people view only sites that go on the front page anyway, which have a much higher chance of being good than ones you may find from random.ytmnd.com. So half of the sites that people see deserve 5's, because most of the sh*tty ones also have low view counts.
January 20th, 2006
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You've so got the wrong idea of where the good and bad sites are.
January 20th, 2006
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I don't have a problem with the current YTMND box in the top left at all. I think Weighted Voting would be a HUGE plus *inkdrinker* I think showing donations on the user profile would be awesome to highlight the users who truly care about YTMND.
January 20th, 2006
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Inkdrinker hasn't donated a dime to YTMND, yet he rattles on like he owns the place. I know it can be hard for 12 year olds to get money, but I think that anyone can scrounge a few bucks together if they really care about YTMND.
January 20th, 2006
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holy crap the cookies work now. I am glad I donated my $1 to ytmnd.
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