tea for the tillerman

Lately I can't help but feel the content on YTMND is just lacking in general. I know that no matter how many nifty new features I add , this won't really improve.

As a lot of you know, the algorithms that define the front page content boxes are extremely simple and don't use most of the treasure trove that is the 180 million row YTMND database. I've been looking at white papers for “Item-based Collaborative Filtering Recommendation Algorithms”, and it's fairly obvious my complete lack of college-level math is beginning to catch up to me.


I'm looking for (as futile as it may be) some aspiring statisticians or economics majors that want to come up with some creative ways to highlight good content. Since the redesign of the front page, adding new content boxes is extremely easy and I've yet to really spend any time on coming up with new algorithms.


Anyone interested in the slightest, head on over to the wiki and add some comments or come up with your own ideas for new content box algorithms.

Another thing I've been thinking about lately is cleaning up the userbase. While the mod panel is still a ways off, I have been thinking about ways to make the site better by adding some exclusivity somehow.

Some variation of the following: making the site invite only, making it so only registered users can view ytmnd (huge reduction in hosting costs), plastering ads on YTMNDs for non-registered users, deleting all the sites and starting over, etc.

I'd say we should could have a conversation about this in the comments, but since most of the users never post anything in news comments except pure shit, I don't see the use.

*EDIT*: Also worth looking at: I finally got around to writing a Vote Weighting Algorithm

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April 16th, 2007
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Also someone just posted something about a "YTMND elite." To be honest, thats whats wrong with YTMND right now. Too many users who have become popular have gained followings and groups who basically run the sites front page now. Its hard to do anything about this. You know what else is hard though?
April 16th, 2007
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the least but there are alternatives for dealing with these people. For instance you can delete all sites with a 1 and over 10 votes. That way no "little treasures will be deleted" unless hit by a lot of alts. I don't think people would work hard enough for 10 alts though and if they would they have no life. The thing is anyone voting over one could upturn the balance causing a site to survive. I see people making alts to let their sites live but I think it would eliminate a modest amount of people from
April 16th, 2007
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posting a lot of crap. And in saying this I'm not saying I post anything more than crap although I do put a certain amount of thought into a site to make it (not too much though). Thats my opinion and I am done.
April 16th, 2007
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don't make ytmnd exclusive... just get rid of it :)
April 16th, 2007
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Like any artistic community, YTMND will go through phases, dry spells, exploration. You have to trust what is being created here. I would focus less on "lack of teh funny" and try to make things better and more efficient. A better algorithim for voting/weight/what gets on front page is a good start.
April 16th, 2007
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A Handful of Notions: YTMND "Unsung Heroes" - Sites with relatively high average ratings (say, at least 3 stars) and a low number of views. YTMND "Crate Diggers" - Sites with low rankings and low views, hand picked by moderators as worthy of attention. YTMND "Gallery of Fine Arts" - Mod-chosen artistic or non-comedic sites of merit, without consideration to star ranking as good stuff that's not funny frequently gets downvoted. YTMND "Freeze Frame" - Best new sites without animation.
April 16th, 2007
501st
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The new weighted voting idea mas has added looks seriously interesting to me. I'm really looking forward to the developments that will continue from this rough draft.
April 16th, 2007
503rd
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OMGZ, I'm an economist! Is this...is this my destiny?
April 16th, 2007
504th
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rofl max you dumbass nobody on this f*ckin site knows anything about algorithms
April 16th, 2007
507th
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I wish I understood what message you're trying to put across here, but sadly it escapes me.
April 16th, 2007
508th
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Update 'Top Viewed Today' hourly to show Top Viewed 'Past 24 Hours'. Make Up and Coming like Worthwhile. ie: rotating. People would be less obsessed about getting sites on there (reposting/alt voting/midnight flood) if there were a larger number of them. Also Max, Syncan and some others should be able to throw any new site they see fit into Up and Coming regardless of rating.
April 16th, 2007
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this comment is pure sh*t
April 16th, 2007
510th
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here's a few random ideas. Delete new sites with less than fifty views after a week. delete sites with different titles but the same content. Clean up the Worthwile section, and make only the new YTMNDs on the home page viewable to non members. Viewing anything else would require a login. I have a feeling that when the mods come out and play and get a few of the abuser's accounts deleted, then alot of junk sites will go away. Just a few random suggestions.
April 16th, 2007
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After pondering it some more, you could also make YTMNDs like Digg stories: after x amount of days (for Digg its one day, but YTMND is smaller) the YTMND falls off the front page, no matter what. While many times every day there are new "top viewed" YTMNDs, this would prevent sites like "Epic Mount" from staying in top viewed for months (hopefully not).
April 16th, 2007
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Similarly to Digg, new websites that enter top viewed often times are the result of having friends vote and view their sh*t. If, however, a site gets 1'd (or buried in the case of digg) enough times after entering the top viewed, it will fall off the front page quicker than a site in top viewed that gets many 5's (or Diggs again in the case of Digg).
April 16th, 2007
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How about this for a feature.... make a block for the lowest rated sites (rating and chron, so the oldest site with a "1" rating is at the top of the list) and then let users vote on whether to DELETE the sites on the list.... keep 'em there for 24 hrs and if the delete votes prevail, trash 'em.... that's as good a method as any for sorting.... Also, MAKE ALL THE CATS (especially recently created & up and coming) show TOP 15 PLEASE!!
April 16th, 2007
520th
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Is paid membership (not to view, just to create) even a remote possibility right now? It's an extreme step to take, but as Sensei Terry Silver said in Karate Kid III..."Extreme situations...require extreme measures."
April 16th, 2007
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Deleting all the sites and starting over would be f*cking magnificent for the reaction alone.
April 16th, 2007
545th
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The planet would fall into disarray without http://shredder.ytmnd.com/
April 17th, 2007
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Perhaps, but we all must make sacrifices.
April 16th, 2007
523rd
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we could delete all the ytmnd's and just host all our porn members only
April 16th, 2007
524th
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how about a box on the front page for MurdarMachene's sites?
April 16th, 2007
525th
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No off site linking. Automatic deletion sites rated below 2 for a month. Selling TShirts with the YTMND logo (I want one, id buy when available). Automatic account flagging on users with 50% comments the same or 80% votes the same. Alt purge. Automatic removal of most viewed ytmnd if its there for 90%+ of 3weeks (cant be 100, or daily will get knocked off and put back on). Weighted voting is good. Collapsible reply sections (Will promote legitimate replies).
April 16th, 2007
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Also, Shared resources. If it hasnt been done already, put in an algorithm to automatically share resources between sites, and once sites using it reaches 0, removes resource. This will not only reduce server side storage, it will reduce downloads (users caching stuff, cache servers getting more hits). Links to social bookmarking sites, possibly with forced advertisements if referrer is off site.
April 16th, 2007
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Shared resources is tricky. Yes, you reduce server storage needed to host 10000 copies of "Your the man now dog," but in turn, you also put more stress on that single file to bear the brunt of thousands of users all trying to access it at once from different YTMNDS.
April 16th, 2007
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here's what you can do, max: start by deleting each ytmnd with a rating of 2 or less (with minimum X # of votes), then institute a mandatory monthly
April 16th, 2007
528th
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mass deletion of
April 16th, 2007
530th
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delete all the sites and start over. then, only allow a select few back on, so we have some quality sites as a base. then, implement the moderators after that, start allowing people back in slowly, while keeping an eye on the sites and setting standards on what is good and what is bad (funny = good , effort = good , ear rape = bad). once good has been properly established in the community, throw the doors back open, with liberal use of ads and donations to mitigate the costs.
April 16th, 2007
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Max doesn't love us anymore b/c we didn't get him a webby this year....
April 16th, 2007
533rd
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alrighty
April 16th, 2007
536th
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we need an alternative section. like nirvana.
April 16th, 2007
538th
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It seems to me that Max is more and more restless regarding the site, and that the future of YTMND is circling the metaphorical drain.
April 16th, 2007
539th
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a definite NO to a vote weighting system, it would create an elite and stifle the community. in response to the rest; registering maybe, ads for non registered definitly, deleting everything WTF!!! though there needs to be a sping clean. also cheer up max
April 16th, 2007
540th
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i think a "complete crap" section would be good.
April 16th, 2007
541st
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Part of what makes YTMND special is the LACK of exclusivity. If you make it a pain in the *ss to introduce friends to YTMND by making said friends sign up, YTMND will get less exposure. And while that will lower hosting costs, it will also create a feeling of isolation. I recommend instead of making YTMND more exclusive, simply delete sites that maintain a one star or lower rating for a certain amount of time automatically.
April 16th, 2007
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YTMND is a social animal, always gaining new friends because of it's simplicity and ease of viewing. I for one would like it to stay that way.
April 16th, 2007
543rd
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wow, headf*ck
April 16th, 2007
544th
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Going back to KaneRobot's mention of paid membership, were it possible, I would not suggest: 1) Making current users pay - this wouldl be faced with extreme opposition from a large group of users if they had to pay to continue using the site. 2) Making it a monthly payment - one initial payment ($10?) to join up for each new member would still provide valuable income to fund your efforts. Perhaps with time a small monthly payment scheme will be plausible, depending on YTMND's strength.
April 16th, 2007
547th
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Oh, and if any payment scheme ever comes into action, don't make it so non-members have to pay just to view sites. That'll really grind down the numbers. They'll feel like I did when the site was down in 2004 when I first visited and every site came up with YOU'RE THE MAN NOW DOG.COM. They'll go "Huh?", leave and forget about it like I did until I ran into it again in 2005.
April 17th, 2007
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I was thinking more of a 1-time fee ($10-ish) for site creation & weighted voting privleges...some people are such vote whores that they'd likely pay for it, even if they didn't want to make their own sites. Maybe other minor perks too like front-page skins or getting to use the mysterious "lists" page for something. Of course, the $10 is non-refundable if you get banned for being an annoying prick (feel free to keep signing up and getting banned if you enjoy pumping a lot of money into the YTMND economy).
April 17th, 2007
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I know Max said in the past that if you donated more than a certain amount you would get in "free" if paid features were ever introduced, so assuming that holds up many people wouldn't even have to do anything. Of course, introducing paid membership can also introduce a whole new set of problems that may not want to be dealt with. I just figure it's time Max starts bleeding these f*cking WoW dipsh*ts to pay for some of the site costs if they want to stink up the interwebs with their nonsense.
April 17th, 2007
626th
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maybe the $10 gives you a t-shirt as an extra incentive.
April 19th, 2007
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What ever happened to the prospect of getting YTMND T-Shirts anyway?
April 16th, 2007
546th
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Well Max did delete a ton of sites and users by accident a year or two ago and no one really cared about a week after
April 16th, 2007
548th
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stock up on grey goose. you'll need it for the new content boxes
April 16th, 2007
549th
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you know, personally I like how anyone can view ytmnds. that gives them a certain accessibility, where if you see a funny site you can link it to your friends and such...
April 16th, 2007
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I think that a good way to clean the site up a bit and keep the sh*t sites down and out of sight would be to have all ytmnd's that don't get over a 3 average rating, might as well be deleted after 24 hours of their creation. They are hardly ever seen again and are infinitly lost in the raging sea of other terrible ytmnds. We have a hard time as it is getting 10 new ytmnds in the Up and Coming each day and maybe the deletion of bad sites will stop people from posting them knowing they'll be lost in a day.
April 16th, 2007
554th
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as a couple days have passed to let this sink in, I'm starting to favor burn it down and start over.
April 16th, 2007
556th
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all that will do is eliminate the whole picture/sound/text history and force more people to edit youtube and rip from dvd's. but then again you can obviously trust a guy without a site over 4 to know what's best for ytmnd
April 16th, 2007
557th
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Sillender, so what you are saying is people like inkdrinker can't have opinions because their ytmnd's aren't ranked high. I would trust those people more than you. This just shows another example of elitism by a user on the site. That is killing ytmnd more than anything.
April 16th, 2007
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Who doesn't respect inkdrinker? picture/sound/text ftw but that's besides the point. I'm hardly an elitist. People like MasterSitsu and others are a prime example of elitism. What's killing ytmnd is sh*tty sites and people who act like they belong along with guest views contributing to the whole makeup of the frontpage. Making YTMND member only will only ruin the site further and deleting all the old sites will simply erase what was left of the days before this place went downhill.
April 16th, 2007
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frankly, i think that there should be a purge of dumb *ss users who just post sh*t. elitism isnt exactly a terrible problem, there are more general useres than the the elite and they have more votng powers than the elite (third estate, yes yes).
April 16th, 2007
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make it so only ytmnd user views count towards a site's view count. I show ytmnds to my friends but I sure as hell don't want them to register and contribute more fail.
April 16th, 2007
558th
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I like the idea of spamming non-registered people with ads. That way rather than shutting out the 'now and then' users you make money off them. I mean, there are a lot of people(WoW-fans for instance) who don't like ytmnd in general, they just like funny WoW jokes using YTMND as a medium. In this case, you wouldn't want to shut them out exactly... but, making some extra cash wouldn't be too bad. Maybe an ad border around the actual YTMND if you're not logged in?
April 16th, 2007
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That will only drive people to register to escape the ads. This will lead to more sh*t being created etc etc
April 17th, 2007
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Registered people will still have ads on the main page, and people who come often enough that they feel it necessary to register are the people who shouldn't be subject to ads as frequently. If a person is just coming to view ONE ytmnd that was randomly linked to them, then they're not going to view the main page but they ARE going to impact the bandwidth usage and cost Max a lot of money(that is, the percentage of people like this is high and the money they generate is low)
April 17th, 2007
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but, if these people who are currently costing YTMND money were to be the ones earning the money(IE- a small border of ads around an actual YTMND page if you're not logged in) then YTMND would do much better, and Max wouldn't mind these one-time users as much. However, the frequent users who view the main page daily will be generating revenue by viewing the smaller text ads there(the same as we do now, subtle yet effective. We each pay for ourselves.) Eh,... get it? :)
April 16th, 2007
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lololol what i meant was delete all YTMNDs below 3 stars. m'k?????
April 16th, 2007
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m'k
April 16th, 2007
568th
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u could clean up all sites below 3 stars
April 16th, 2007
572nd
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Delete every site scoring less than 2.
April 16th, 2007
573rd
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Do not delete the gold on this site.
April 16th, 2007
574th
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plaster ads everywhere for the unregistered, but dont disable viewing for them it would cause a huge loss in viewership
April 16th, 2007
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I support the invite-only idea. It might not seem effective, but every invite-only website that I have used has had a better community than sites that allow anyone to sign up. It would also--hopefully--prevent YTMNDs from dominating the "Top Viewed" #1 spot for months (e.g. How to Prank a Telemarketer).
April 16th, 2007
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you cant delete all the sites. where would all the ytmnd users go for the humour they've all seen in the past? starting all over would suck, and im sure you would see a slight, or significant drop in users.
April 16th, 2007
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Guchehair is back tonight, alts include - trolling, gabenewell, troller, Btapeformod, and surely a dozen more.
April 16th, 2007
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I don't know if anyone has really picked up on this, but go to Google, type in "Pi" and you'll see that the fourth result is the 3.1415926535... site. That's probably where all the traffic comes from
April 16th, 2007
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I'm going to karate chop your balls off.
April 17th, 2007
650th
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This place would be better off if he was deleted. He is everything wrong with YTMND. All he does is take images that have been posted multiple times, changes the music and think it makes a new site.
April 16th, 2007
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pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure sh*t pure
April 16th, 2007
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:0!!!!! Piman likey blue!!!!!!!! Yippee!!!!!! Blue!!!!!! BLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No one touchy pimans blueie! It's MY blueie!!!!!
April 16th, 2007
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Honestly Max, whatever you do I stand by you. But I like the idea of deleting all sites under 1.99 or something like that. Why not have something like Newgrounds flash portal where everything that comes in has to be judged to be decided on whether we keep it or not..but yes you should just take a break for a bit. You have my respect either way.
April 17th, 2007
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"Honestly Max, whatever you do I stand by you." "You have my respect either way." Awwwww
April 16th, 2007
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Mixing two of your ideas for a simple suggestion: If you're unregistered and trying to look at YTMND, you'll get nothing but ads. Sorta like what you had. But without the YTMND. Another variant of this idea is while you get a site with ads, you'll only get a preview screen if you're unregistered. I think this is one of the best ways to reduce costs and possibly bring in ad revenue.
April 16th, 2007
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":0!!!!! Piman likey blue!!!!!!!! Yippee!!!!!! Blue!!!!!! BLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No one touchy pimans blueie! It's MY blueie!!!!!" You touchded my bluie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 16th, 2007
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Yes only registered user should only be the ones to be counted for views thats a great idea. I hope that works out.
April 16th, 2007
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lol at deleting all sites and starting over again
April 16th, 2007
595th
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Right now you sound like an old man.
April 16th, 2007
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Whatever it takes to keep it free. I like the idea of removing sites with 2 stars or less, but only if they've been around for too long. "This site has had a score of two for six months now... DELETED!" etc. That way it gives good sites a chance to recover from a sever downvoting (not that they will, but there is the possibility). I also like the idea of ads being more prominent for unregistered users (like an entire ad page before every fifth YTMND or a full page ad once per day per unregistered IP.
April 16th, 2007
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i haven't read through every single comment, but perhaps 2 diff boxes for view counts? one for total daily views, and another for registered views only? that way you can keep out the digg/WoW proplems to a diff section and people who don't like it can edit their front page so everybody wins
April 17th, 2007
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Weight votes based on the usual votes. Presume that users would most frequently vote on a bell curve, so users who have skewed vote spreads vote for less than a whole vote, while users who fit a more fair balance have a "heavier" vote. Perhaps add bonuses for average site rating, to inspire people to make sites worth 5'ing.
April 17th, 2007
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The bell curve idea sounds like a great one, it would prevent upvoting of truly awful sites into the up and coming and make frequent downvoters meaningless as well. It could be abused, but I think you're really on to something
April 17th, 2007
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.
April 17th, 2007
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one ytmnder one vote, a weighting system would be abused and lead to cronyism, elitism and would damage the democratic values which current ytmnder's enjoy. any vote weighting would be abused and would stifle creativity and innovation as new ideas and fads become subject to the powerful voters prejudices. the current voting system is good because it is very organic and natural, good sites tend to get recognition, bad ones tend to get downvoted. dont let the minority of alt account makers destroy this.
April 17th, 2007
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also; deleting all the sites below a threshold would remove act as a good spring clean of the old sites, but if it became a permanent policy would inevitably lead to greater upvoting as people try to push sites above the deletion threshold. this would unfairly skew the voting system and make it harder to discern between good and bad ytmnds based upon score. this is clearly bad for the site and should be avoided if it was more than a one time only event.
April 17th, 2007
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on the issue of making it harder to register, either by financial means or through some kind of test. a balance must be struck because for every X number of "bad" users prevented from joining a Y number of creative and original users will also be prevented from joining . ytmnd's needs the new ideas and innovation of new users and by placing barriers to this it will inevitably lead to a stifling of ytmnd.
April 17th, 2007
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pure sh*t
April 17th, 2007
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The best way for quality is a positive insentive for the users to create something good. Whatever that may be. Deletion of poor/dire sites is one way to save money and space, and yet another push in the right direction for better sites. The addition of exclusiveness may be a pinnacle the positive insentive idea made earlier, but may also act as a deterrent for many people for fear of "elitism" and being excluded - Non-famous users such as myself would fit into this catagory
April 17th, 2007
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"invite only" also may create a sense of elitism and act as a deterrent - The bell curve idea mentioned earlier is a decent proposal, although to ensure it it will not be abused (like Iamdavid101010 points out) it will need some evaluation and testing
April 17th, 2007
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QFT ^^
April 17th, 2007
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Invites, no. It'd block some talented people who just aren't well-known. In my opinion, you can only prevent crappy sites by making it harder to create sites. Charging money for it is, for instance, a good idea. You pay for the server space/traffic you generate with your site, and people who want to make a "lol, my friend richard is teh suck in this pic" site get deterred from making one.
April 17th, 2007
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I say. Everything under 3 stars delete.
April 17th, 2007
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i second the artist corner one.
April 17th, 2007
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Viewing should remain public, for non-registered, non-paying users. Being able to link to a YTMND to some forum allowing it to get some laughs is a great way to attract new users. I think requiring that only paying users can -make- YTMND's will help weed out a lot of crap, whilst still keeping the site easily accessible for a lot of people, generating more ad revenue and potentially bringing in new, talented users willing to pay to create a site.
April 17th, 2007
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I say ban guests, and put a filter-like thing on her.
April 17th, 2007
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Or deleting everything under 3 stars works, Most present day YTMND are that way.
April 17th, 2007
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---- YTMND2 BETA. start from their.. transplant all good sites.. then go from their. ---- Useful/noticeable users should be re welcomed. ---- Pay a one time fee for Bonus Features? ---- If you do an invite thing, you should also consider "Open registrations only one time a week or month"... ---- blah blah sh*t poo.
April 17th, 2007
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Well South Park, if that were to happen, I say remove sites lower than 3 and users with site ratings lower than 2.84, and no invites, most ytmnd users aren't noticable, so most ytmnd losers would be gone if the invite thing took place, like 98% of the users.
April 17th, 2007
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Excuse me if this seems like a rant, but I'm just putting my ideas out (coincidentaly, that's what I think YTMND is, in essence) The site seems to have evolved from a showcase for creativity into a clipdump bedlam. Somehow, we need to encourage a 'look at this and tell me what you think' mentality, instead of 'V0AT! V0AT UP! M3 4M YOO53R!!11!1'. Not sure if that'll help, just thinking aloud, er, atype, whatever.
April 17th, 2007
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ban ear rape sites
April 17th, 2007
638th
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Hate ear rape sites? This is NOT ear rape. sausagewallet.ytmnd.com
April 18th, 2007
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i think all ear rape sites should be given the deaf penalty "try not clicking sites you don't like" what because all ear rape sites have big labels saying ear rape. nearly all sites are an enigma until you see them.
April 17th, 2007
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Exclusivity sounds like an option. Works for SA. Win is not guaranteed, since HC fans of the site(even those who make sh*t for ytmnds, maybe I'm included here)might tag along-problem unsolved. Also, purging ytmnd of all sites could be a bad idea IMO since I and a lot of other members, I'm sure, identify with old memes/sites in some nerdy way(Blood of site and reasons we came here). A clean slate might also worsen wiki & would make me not want to pay, though I may be unimportant /BollIsF*g&SupportsChoiceYay
April 17th, 2007
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This might seem a bit mad. What if people could host their own YTMNDs? If, instead of Submitting stuff onto a subdomain of ytmnd.com, the Create-A-Site page gives you back html (badge included), for you to put wherever you like, and send to your friends. Then you can google "intitle:ytmnd", and you have an entire web of ytmnds with none of the problems. And google ranks it for you. Then use the google api for ytmnd.com homepage top lists.
April 17th, 2007
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yeah do the only registered users thing.
April 17th, 2007
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If all the sites were deleted, all the classics would be reposted by theives who want the credit. Ebaum would rear it's ugly head, so to speak.
April 17th, 2007
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i am warsman11 and i love wars.
April 17th, 2007
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If you make me pay for YTMND I'll never come here again.
April 18th, 2007
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Can you just never come here again NOW?
April 17th, 2007
645th
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If you made people pay for YTMND, it's a big turn-off and 3/4 of your users will disappear.
April 18th, 2007
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That's the dream.
April 17th, 2007
646th
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Hey, is it possible to add an option to always use the flash player? At least for MP3 files. I don't think the Wii can play those.
April 17th, 2007
649th
(1)
A lot of people want good ytmnd's that "slipped through the cracks" when they were created to get another chance on the front page. I think this is a good idea but, if implemented, they need to be showcased in a way that lets people know that these aren't new creations - lest they all get downvoted to hell by the seething horde that doesn't look at creation dates. Weighted voting could be a good idea that might encourage more accurate voting patterns if it can't be cheated/abused.
April 17th, 2007
651st
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Another user who came up with the brilliant idea of stealing other people's site. http://www.ytmnd.com/users/ebaumsworlddotcom/ See, he uses the name Ebuams World. He's a genius. He's also revenge downvoting everyone who gives him a one for his lame gimmick.
April 17th, 2007
652nd
(0)
Hea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No TOUCHY PIMANS BLUEIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 17th, 2007
655th
(1)
Max, you're absolutly right about the content lacking. I remember back when there were extremely talented users who created exceptional gifs to a perfectly edited sound clip and they were histerical, but now its just like ... okay what is this supposed to be? I think the users really need to put more thought into their ideas before posting their websites. We need our original well-known members to be active and produce gems again. Maybe they moved on and dont visit YTMND as much. We just need good material
April 17th, 2007
656th
(0)
So I think we should make YTMND for users only to prevent outside views to mediocre and bad sites
April 17th, 2007
657th
(0)
Punch Out came out today for the Wii virtual console
April 17th, 2007
659th
(-1)
Lacking is one way to say it. F*cking stupid is another way. YTMND hasn't been funny in well over a year.
April 18th, 2007
660th
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you should do something like newgrounds and let the better users have more vote value. or maybe you must see the YTMND before you are alowed to vote. im tired of good sites getting downvoted without even beeing looked at
April 18th, 2007
661st
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I like the idea of having to register in order to view.
April 18th, 2007
662nd
(0)
Bees are dying. Post your memories here.
April 18th, 2007
663rd
(-1)
:O(
April 18th, 2007
664th
(-1)
Monsanto wanted me to tell you that it's because of cell phones. Because radio waves haven't been in use for the last 100 f*cking years.
April 18th, 2007
665th
(1)
All sites that haven't recieved a 3 start rating within a certain time should go. I think . That would mean most of mine but... they are sh*t.
April 18th, 2007
667th
(0)
NSFW site previews are now blanked...but what if I'm not at work? I'd still want to see previews of it
April 18th, 2007
678th
(-1)
This is true. Site preview sometimes means the difference between thumbnail tubgirl and full screen tubgirl. Also, is it necessary to put the thumbnail in the "report a site" window AND verification window? I know you don't actually WANT people reporting sites, but having to see some of that discusting *ss sh*t three times in order to report it...? Gratuitous.
April 19th, 2007
722nd
(0)
Why report it if it's marked NSFW then???
April 18th, 2007
669th
(0)
it's your time
April 18th, 2007
670th
(2)
"Guys. This is cyberman (aka Va-Van uhh, in Birmingham, Alabama; fromStickam, and also known as cyberman2 on youtube. You're probably wondering why I'm dressed up like this. Today. Well, I'm going to a uh, let's just say my sister's 'citizen's police academy' um 'function', uh, 'graduation' actually later on this evening. But that's beside the point. For too long you guys have had your fun, uhh, taking over people's chat rooms and raiding them. Guess what guys? Your home's about to be raided by the cops."
April 18th, 2007
671st
(0)
Well.. you're the boss Max.
April 18th, 2007
672nd
(0)
pure sh*t
April 18th, 2007
674th
(1)
don't show the rating of a site before a person has rated it
April 20th, 2007
726th
(0)
wow, yes. well.. hmm.
April 18th, 2007
675th
(0)
I think limiting the ability of new users to make ytmnds for say, two weeks, would stop a lot of bullsh*t stupid ytmnds. Ads on the site for non-registered users sounds good too.
April 18th, 2007
677th
(0)
Additionally, marking sites for deletion (like Wikipedia) would reduce the number of pointless unfunny poorly edited ytmnds. Like, if a site was marked by 10 users for deletion, it would go to a mod who could at that point delete it or tell everyone else to screw off.
April 18th, 2007
676th
(-1)
eat poop
April 18th, 2007
679th
(0)
Invite only, only registered can view, and deleting all sites are all inadvisable. Invite only might turn it into a very small, clique only site completely cut off from the public. Then, what is the point making a ytmnd if it might only be seen by a few people and can't be seen by outsiders? On the other hand, invites could propogate exponentially anyway until it ceases to be of any usefullness in restricting users. Gmail is by invite only, and how many people can't get a gmail account if they want one?
April 18th, 2007
680th
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Still taking suggestions? I wonder if you even read these.. but I've got one, and I hope it hasn't already been mentioned I didn't read through all the comments - mainly because half of them were posted by retards, which brings me to my suggestion. Two separate sites. YTMND and YTMND Jr. The main site will be a pay site.. I'm not suggesting much, maybe a buck or two a month, but it would require a credit card or paypal account, both of which deter the little sh*ts from lying about their ages.
April 18th, 2007
682nd
(0)
Maybe some of the kids can still be a part of the main site, but they'd need a sponsor, a paid member. It's not fair to keep all the minors out, there are a lot of them with actual talent. But this way YTMND Jr can handle all the "OMG CHEEZ WIZ I'M SO RANDOM LOL" sites. As far as viewing, I'd suggest anyone can still view any site, but only paid members can vote/comment/create.
April 18th, 2007
681st
(0)
Deleting all sites... throws everything out, bad with good. If only bad stuff seems to coming in now, if you throw it all out, all good stuff of the past will be gone, and only bad new sites will fill it in. Not to mention that many new users like me came well after ytmnd was created, and are still coming, so fads seen as old and stale are actually seen as hilarious and fresh to them. Might I suggest an editor to go through and make lists of editor's picks for that day, or that week, and so on.
April 18th, 2007
683rd
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Also, maybe the entire database of sites can be divided into blocks and slowly rotated daily into a special area for mass voting. Any sites that end up with below 2 stars could potentially be cut. Again, I advise against invites, registered only to view, or mass deletions. Those things also can cut deeply into traffic and ergo ad revenue. That is if ad revenue for extra traffic outpaces the cost.
April 18th, 2007
684th
(0)
Also, there is an undercurrent of anger and shunning for people who sponsor their own sites. That should change, as it seems like a good way to generate income for the site. Unforunately, there are a number of incredibly mean people on the site. BTW, I am an economics major, and price is often a great tool and should be up for consideration for implementin on various features. Oh, and what of the "classic ytmnd" check box? Will a classic ytmnd section be created?
April 18th, 2007
686th
(-1)
Erase it all, begin anew
April 18th, 2007
687th
(5)
Max. GucheHair should catch your attention when you first see this comment. I know that you wont take it seriously and consider it another whiny complaint, but this is serious. He used many alts, approximately 20-40, to downvote one of our great sites, NES of a down. He is destroying the one list that defines "Hey look, new, funny, and fresh content that you can enjoy laughing at" and that you can come back everyday to find more. The first thing you can do to save this site is delete him. Thats it.
April 18th, 2007
688th
(6)
its people like him that prevent so many people from even bothering making good material. post at the wrong time and he kills you, repost and theres dozens of other users who will punish you for wanting a second chance for a site that was destroyed at the whim of one person. Catch-22.
April 18th, 2007
695th
(0)
We are at peace, GucheHair is no more.
April 18th, 2007
689th
(-3)
Vote weighting, while a good idea is destined for failure. This just means that certain "established groups" of users could band together (vent, etc) to downvote or upvote content into oblivion that doesn't deserve such fates. Making so only registered users could view would be a similar disaster, as it destroys the "send a ytmnd link to a friend" aspect that makes the site so great.
April 18th, 2007
690th
(-3)
I suggest a "4.0 or greater" list on the front page of ytmnds that are more than one day old. (Since most ytmnds worth anything have vote totals of 4 or better). Alas, this only works if you can successfully eliminate the voting cheats like alts and such.
April 18th, 2007
693rd
(0)
I don't understand why some users spend more time revenge downvoting than creating original sites that aren't duplicates of 2 others sites created within 5 minutes.
April 18th, 2007
694th
(0)
Oops, I meant to say I don't think a weighted voting system would be good.
April 18th, 2007
696th
(0)
glitch currently taking place with sites above 5 stars.
April 19th, 2007
698th
(-1)
Hey BTape, I have a video of GucheHair's mom!
April 19th, 2007
702nd
(0)
I knew THAT wouldn't last long, so here's a screenshotMND: http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/2525/btapecommentwebam9.jpg Also, now we know the secret to the floating comment.
April 19th, 2007
699th
(0)
ytmnd is welding. post your blowtorch here.
April 19th, 2007
700th
(0)
"making the site invite only, making it so only registered users can view ytmnd (huge reduction in hosting costs), plastering ads on YTMNDs for non-registered users, deleting all the sites and starting over, etc." all good ideas, but you should keep any site with like 4 or more stars (like picard! you cant delete picard!!:"{)
April 19th, 2007
703rd
(0)
YTMND is eating. Post your condiments here.
April 19th, 2007
705th
(0)
Who knows if anyone will read this, but all I can say is make the view count for ytmnds only go up when viewed by a registered account. Also IP address anyone who makes more than one account on a computer, or opened a different account from that same computer. That way only something like a school computer lab could be made to mass downvote/upvote. Just picture how silly/stupid that person would look like trying to hog them all.
April 19th, 2007
706th
(1)
making the algorithim directly proportional to the membership length is brilliant
April 19th, 2007
707th
(0)
deleting all the sites would be a crushing blow to fans of some of the classics. i have know idea about how to improve the content, ha, so i guess this post is pure sh*t too.
April 19th, 2007
708th
(0)
http://shutthehellupcolin.ytmnd.com/ - worst ytmnd of the month.
April 20th, 2007
725th
(0)
pretty good aside from the audio
April 19th, 2007
709th
(0)
I don't think it should be invite only. I think the adds would be fine for visitors.
April 19th, 2007
710th
(0)
What if we delete everything, but prior to that, we get users to vote on what they want carried over, sort of like New Game +. It might even be possible to distribute the votes each user recieves based on merit (avg. site rating, membership length, general awesomeness, etc.)
April 19th, 2007
712th
(0)
Mmmm, things are looking up for YTMND. I can't say anything about the exclusivity of the site since I don't know what you're going through financially, but algorithms that help the good content be seen would be great!
April 19th, 2007
714th
(-1)
Deleting everything under a 2.5 or a 3 rating would probably do wonders for the overall quality of the site. Survival of the fittest and all that!
April 20th, 2007
724th
(0)
survival of the fittest = sh*tty 300TMNDs and such. I want the 'list by worst rated FIRST' feature back.
April 19th, 2007
715th
(0)
Oh god, I miss the old simple CLASSIC ytmnd. You know, white layout, 5 stars, etc. I DON'T KNOW THIS SITE ANYMORE.
April 22nd, 2007
773rd
(0)
I know what you mean, I was an "unregistered user" for a long time, and I wish Mullet man could help us out...
April 19th, 2007
716th
(0)
"deleting all the sites and starting over" boooo you suck
April 19th, 2007
717th
(0)
hay guys i think BIGDICK is a downvotar
April 19th, 2007
718th
(0)
He's pretty much a troll and makes a lot of shock sites. He also used to downvote with his alt and advertise his ytmnds with it.
April 19th, 2007
721st
(0)
His alts include notcrazyassfuzz, bigdick2, bigdick3, probably many more
April 20th, 2007
723rd
(0)
Max, I added 2 ideas that could be worth investigating to the wiki.
April 20th, 2007
727th
(2)
YTMND is dying. Post your memories and floating comments here.
April 20th, 2007
728th
(0)
You should delete all the sites and shoot me in the head while you're at it. Thx.
April 20th, 2007
729th
(0)
You really need to consider getting rid of the "hide comment" option. Any comment with 2/5 stars or less is "-'d" and quickly blanked off the screen. Negative feedback isn't a bad thing.
April 20th, 2007
730th
(1)
Perhaps more competitions/themed entries? Apart from a few one offs you only seem to get really good YTMNDs when a fad gets going, give people a challenge, give them a bit of direction and i'm sure you'll get some better quality content.
April 20th, 2007
731st
(1)
IPWNEDURMOM made alts named cooke1, cooke2, cooke3, cooke4, and cooke5
April 20th, 2007
732nd
(1)
and I'm sure he has others he uses to upvote his terrible sites
April 20th, 2007
734th
(0)
does your penis hurt? you have gonorrhea.
April 20th, 2007
735th
(0)
Yes, making it so only registered users can view YTMND would be a huge reduction in hosting costs. Of course, that would be because a comparatively small amount of people would even bother with YTMND. How much media will be writing articles about the site if they and/or most of their readers won't see anything? How appealing will advertising on YTMND be when most people don't even bother to look at it? Exclusivity isn't a good thing.
April 20th, 2007
736th
(0)
I vote for registered users being the only ones allowed to view.
April 20th, 2007
737th
(0)
The frontpage is screwed up.
April 20th, 2007
738th
(-1)
Deleting all YTMNDs might be a bit drastic, but I think it might help. The only problem is that this would inevitably end in people "remaking" famed YTMNDs and taking credit for them. >_>
April 20th, 2007
739th
(0)
Ahhh the front page is whacko.
April 20th, 2007
740th
(0)
wtf
April 20th, 2007
741st
(0)
front page is screwy. bad coding. gray goose.
April 20th, 2007
742nd
(3)
I like how BTape's NEDM comment works as a reply to almost any comment posted.
April 20th, 2007
743rd
(0)
Commencing YTMND shutdown in:
April 20th, 2007
744th
(0)
I didnt read the whole comment list so Im sorry in advance if this has already been suggested. why not do a invite unless you want to pay for it sort of deal? current members with a year or so on YTMND should keep there accounts and be given X number of ivites (like Goolge did with GMail). If someone wants an account and dosent have an invite then they should be given the option of a one time fee. Im not saying it will fix eveything but it my curb the cost a bit, without much risk of losing current members
April 20th, 2007
745th
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you prolly wont read this but i think starting over is a good idea. give people a couple week's notice and anyone who really wants to keep their site can just save it. wiping everything clean would give it a good start, and introducing those new rules you suggested would help immensely with all the crap constantly being made. you will probably want to make a section of the 'best' sites that is public if you make the site viewable by users only. that will maintain the success and influx of new people
April 20th, 2007
746th
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Max - make it exclusive by charging folks to post. Set it up in a tiered fashion: 4.95/yr gets you 3 sites, 9.95 gets you 7 plus the ability to vote, 19.95 gets you unlimited sites, etc. Partner up with Paypal. This will weed out the sleestaks who are wasting your time and bandwidth (or at least bleed their parents out of some dollars you can use). YTMND is some of the best free entertainment there is, but it's plagued with sites made by turds, about turds. Serious players will be willing to support you.
April 20th, 2007
748th
(-1)
HEY MAX THIS IS A SRS COMMENT FOR ONCE OKAY YOU'D BETTER READ IT!!! (plz) right, you see how they have "f*ggot patrol" on the NSFW forums..... how about having something similar for the frontpage? not rainbow-gays in c*ck-hammocks, i mean like account restrictions & so on - limit people in their votes, making sites, making comments, etc until they stop sh*tting up the site? YEAH SO CARRY ON NOW DON'T FORGET IT'S ReallyF*ckingFaturday NOW SO MAKE YOUR UNFUNNY IMG-MACROS BEFORE 4CHAN DOES OKAY!!!
April 20th, 2007
749th
(0)
I think someone already suggested this but mandatory advertisement viewing before each ytmnd can be seen for unregistered users might help with the costs from sites like telemarketer. Membership tiers could also help alleviate some of the crap. New users can view sites and vote, but can't create sites for a few months, let them put some thought into what they want to create by seeing the occasionally good ytmnd and most of the sh*t that gets made.
April 20th, 2007
750th
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Once they can make sites, limit the total number they can make, say ten total. If they can’t make anything decent after ten attempts then they’ll have to delete a site before they can make another one. If they happen to create a gem though (X many votes and views and a rating over Y) then their site cap gets bumped up (to twenty, fifty, or whatever number seems fit).
April 20th, 2007
751st
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Total site cap could also be bumped on users that have used all ten site slots and maintain a rating over X while having over Y votes with at least Z views. Paid members (assuming this isn’t tiered as well) can bypass the time limit to make sites but are still capped on the total they can create for a while. I’m just tossing out ideas here, and this has probably all been suggested before.
April 21st, 2007
753rd
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I'm content.
April 21st, 2007
754th
(0)
I suggest you cull sites that have not had views in a long time, or a small number of views, possibly combined with few or no votes.
April 21st, 2007
755th
(0)
2 Questions 1. Is YTMND script based and run on Apache or the such? Or is it it's own standalone server? 2. What language is it written in?
April 21st, 2007
756th
(0)
YTMND is farting. Post your flatulence here.
April 21st, 2007
757th
(0)
I've always supported (or was I the one recommending? I can't remember) the idea of a membership YTMND that was exclusive for (at the very least) creation of sites. It would have multiple effects if you put a $10-15 yearly membership fee on all accounts that create sites: 1)Lower bandwidth costs, 2)Higher concentration of quality sites [who wants to spend money on crap?], 3)More money for YTMND in addition to those lower expenses, & 4)You can still leave unregistered/unpaid viewers with ad-infestation.
April 21st, 2007
758th
(0)
All good thing must pass.
April 21st, 2007
762nd
(0)
it looks as if greenbanana is downvoting the sites above him in the up and coming
April 21st, 2007
763rd
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How much money is it going to take for me to make a difference for you? I am at $95 in sponsorships right now lol.
April 22nd, 2007
766th
(0)
I'm in the $40 range. I have a long way to go to catch up with Teknorat.
April 22nd, 2007
771st
(0)
I've spent over $230 sponsoring sites and it hasn't gotten me any favor.
April 22nd, 2007
768th
(-1)
My one year anniversary is this Thursday (April 26).
April 22nd, 2007
769th
(1)
it's not the watching suggest, nedm video that.
April 22nd, 2007
775th
(-1)
I am at UND right now, being very bored
April 22nd, 2007
777th
(0)
Invite only.. Who do you plan on inviting? Anyone with a good record or just the "famous" people? Paid Accounts - Yeah great idea let's lose 50% of our decent userbase cuz we decided to make them pay.. Deleting All content - Someone would probobly assassinate you (read. BAD F*CKING IDEA) Registration Only - YES! Make everyone register otherwise they get a screen saying with cyborg ninja saying "You have no name.. Register." And then after they register explain why they had to.
April 22nd, 2007
778th
(0)
Also, Mod team that cares and doesn't just want to be important, IP bans (4chan has it and the only way to get passed is a proxy which the kiddies won't know about) Pay for Unban - the decent users will pay to be unbanned, the kiddies will just say "f*ck that", you make money, GOOD END. Basically, if you want to be hated and fail miserably, make it pay-to-register and delete everything. And invite sounds lame
April 22nd, 2007
779th
(0)
What's that mean?
April 22nd, 2007
780th
(0)
I'm not sure if this has been pointed out, but another user who posts graphic gore shock sites and is a downvoter. http://www.ytmnd.com/users/sfkjsdklfjklsdf234/
April 22nd, 2007
781st
(0)
ANYPLACE that allows ANYONE with a computer, a hook-up and a singular misfiring neuron is bound to be filled with dreck. It is inevitable. The only question is, can there be a systemic manner to filter the dreck such that it does not interfere with the original intent. You need to ask yourself about this. You indicated that you did not intend YTMND as a community, but it has evolved into one. Now you look upon what you hath wrought and despair, so your original intent has obviously shifted. Until you decide
April 22nd, 2007
782nd
(0)
what you want this place to be like, the problems will continue unabated.
April 22nd, 2007
783rd
(0)
comment displacement, lol
April 22nd, 2007
784th
(0)
YFLY Smack Talk
April 22nd, 2007
788th
(0)
Hah, I beat you all!
April 22nd, 2007
790th
(0)
By 5 seconds biatch
April 22nd, 2007
791st
(0)
Also, User Favorites This Week
April 22nd, 2007
785th
(0)
The new ads are here! (Now everything is f*cking up)
April 22nd, 2007
786th
(0)
the problem with the front page boxes is they tend to have material that just overlaps. something like a "worst rated sites" box would be good
April 22nd, 2007
787th
(0)
uh wtf yfly must go
April 22nd, 2007
789th
(0)
Waiting for your new news post.
April 22nd, 2007
792nd
(0)
well adding a filter that will delete sites that have no use other then waste space would be great. (like the recent sites of people just exposing themselves to get vote. all i have to say to that is wow your creative) how about we make some way to empower some of the users. i notice this +/- for the comments. i would have to say that only people who actually put something into their posts get + all the stupid posts get - this +/- could be a way of defining how someone would gain power.
April 23rd, 2007
793rd
(0)
Bring tea for the tillerman, steak for the sun, wine for the woman who made the rain come. Seagulls sing your hearts away, cause while the sinners sin, the children play.
April 23rd, 2007
794th
(0)
Make YTMND respons or something similar that YouTube has, but for fads. For easy follow up on other. Arranged in rating.
May 1st, 2007
795th
(0)
nkl
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