Why God Exists - A Critical Analysis
Created on: September 7th, 2006
Why God Exists - A Critical Analysis
the "oozing with illogical sh*t" is just for kicks and giggles. no harm done, yes?

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September 7th, 2006
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decent discussion, although pedantic and not my point of view, is always nice
September 7th, 2006
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Nietzche's quote was a nice touch.
September 7th, 2006
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england prevails.
September 7th, 2006
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earth is "god" and is what we should worship itself
September 7th, 2006
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Your Right, but as you said this also proves nothing, but neither did whetstones... So I guess we get to beleive what we want...
September 7th, 2006
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You were a tad too critical, in my opinion. You also brought your own opinions in, instead of simply proving that his was a fallacy.
September 7th, 2006
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Sure. But my proof is my own consciousness. Some say consciousness is the mind tricking itself, but I'm speaking about how I'm able to look through these eyes. Me. I'm not a walking meat-machine. I have a real consciousness tied to this "body" (at least at the present). That's proof, and the only proof I've ever seen or heard of, and it's wonderful in its simplicity yet so simple that many people overlook it. "Cogito ergo sum" translated from the original "Je pense, donc je suis"
September 7th, 2006
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"God is dead - Nietzche" "Nietzche is dead - God"
September 7th, 2006
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you win all my internets for USING BASIC COLLEGE LEVEL F*CKING LOGIC!!! everyone needs to take intro to logic if they ever want to argue anything in there life ever...thank you. and again...you win.
September 7th, 2006
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Consciousness proves existence (Descartes), but he FAILED to prove the existence of God, god, or gods. See: Cartesian circle. Also, I think you could question Hawking's assertion that the world came into being, as I think he backed out of that assertion and/or most scientists think the big bang is a cyclical event and not a one time thing. But, on your logic, bravo. Sren Kierkegaard has a lot to say about the whole reason contradicting with faith thing. Anyways, good job.
September 7th, 2006
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(The first comment was in response to FierogGT42). Also, you should not have said that you believed in god so you could call them out on their ad hominem when they say, "you're just an atheist, you wouldn't understand" etc.
September 7th, 2006
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you could also use the argument that is everything implies cause, well then something needs to be prior to God. I hate this kind of drivel...honestly. Reason is not a proof of the non-existence of God, but it most certainly is not in its' favor.
September 7th, 2006
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YOU ARE GODLY! I enjoyed it. Its funny, the "you cant disprove it, so it exists" logic is funny, cuz you can just make up sh*t for retorts, like "well you are an alien, why argue? you cant disprove it, so naturally its a valid truth." Invisible Pink Unicorn punnnah!
September 7th, 2006
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You know, the whole point of religion is faith, that is, God intentionally doesn't show Himself and doesn't let Himself be scientifically proven so people still have a choice as to what they want to believe and what they want to do with their life. The only proof is in the lives of His followers.
September 7th, 2006
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keep religion off of ytmnd
September 7th, 2006
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^he's right.
September 7th, 2006
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Thank you for "getting" it. I believe in a God, but we can't prove it, nor should we. Bless you.
September 7th, 2006
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Philosophy!
September 7th, 2006
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Although I think you conceded the initial premises and deductive reasoning too readily (see http://whygoddoesntexist.ytmnd.com), I must admit that your response is better than mine. You win, good day sir.
September 7th, 2006
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I'm going to give you a five for pro-God, but I'm only assuming that you're pro-God because casuality and critical thinking bores the everloving sh*t out of me and I conked out at the tenth or so frame.
September 7th, 2006
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Thank you!
September 7th, 2006
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5'd for great justice.
September 7th, 2006
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Thank YOU! yeah... religion and Christianity are both logically and scientifically impossible. NO Whetstone! No arguments... that's it! IMPOSSIBLE. The only thing that makes sense if we do believe in God is to have faith (every normal Christian will tell you this). Now enough of this religion crap and lets make some Lazytown YTMND's, come on get to it!
September 7th, 2006
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Voltaire is a pimp. +4 for decent rebuttal, + 2 for Voltaire, but -1 for Nietzche, who himself was very much less than sane.
September 7th, 2006
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Aw Goddamnit. Someone end the constant Religious wars. Seriously, people take this sh*t way to serious. Sit back, and watch the f*cking movie people!
September 7th, 2006
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i am going to start spamming i swear
September 7th, 2006
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the education system prevails
September 8th, 2006
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note: http://againstboredomevengodsstruggleinvain.ytmnd.com/
September 8th, 2006
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Although I am not religious at all I quot watching this pretty quickly. You are trying to use logic to explain god/universe. Unfortunately, the laws of logic are all based on the observations that men have found to be true throughout history. However, human logic cannot be expanded to fields of knowledge which we have no experience. Therefore all the work you spent making this argument has just been countered by me in 30 seconds. kthxbai everyonefails.ytmnd.com
September 8th, 2006
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Finally, a person of reason.
September 8th, 2006
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if you beleive in god, you already have no idea what you are talking about, so none of what you said matters :)
September 8th, 2006
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regardless of the existance of a higher power, it does not prove Christanity is right
September 8th, 2006
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don't feel like reading this sh*t over again, i'll just 4 it and say "oh snap"
September 8th, 2006
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Now let's bury this "fad", because it is inconsistent with YTMND's "Humor Clause".
September 8th, 2006
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◄Sadly this site will be obsolete in like a day as I reword/rewrite some things. First drafts are never perfect...but I appreciate you doing the hard work for me!►
September 8th, 2006
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You have been officially granted permission to use the Internets. Be proud.
September 8th, 2006
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I find this shallow and pedantic, I'm gonna go whack it to some porn...
September 8th, 2006
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I recant my statement, I just realized you where arguing against whetstones >_>
September 8th, 2006
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Thank you so very much. This restored my faith in humanity quite a bit. Too many christians have forgotten what faith really means, and you've provided a nice reminder. On another note: ultimacanti, you are retarded. Your argument here is "There's a chance you're wrong therefore you're entire argument is invalid." There are varying levels of factual validity you douchbag, and in a purely logistical way, this argument clearly debunks whetstone's.
September 8th, 2006
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I pretty much agree with what you said. Deities cannot be proven, nor disproven.
September 8th, 2006
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very nice.
September 8th, 2006
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*Extra post for voting* I'm an Agnostic Atheist, by the way...
September 8th, 2006
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I'm gonna 5 this because I was thinking everything you said here when I saw "Why God Exists," but really I wish people wouldn't use YTMND for religious debates.
September 8th, 2006
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Bill Hicks speaks the truth here dinosaursinbible.ytmnd.com
September 8th, 2006
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Bravo, sirs! You have dazzled me. Just as I fived "Why God Exists" for containing no vitriol, so shall I five your rebuttal for its sound basis in science. It was true that many of whetstone's claims, such as the assertion that the universe must have been created by an intelligent being, were merely assumptions. To think I would find such even-tempered debate on YTMND!
September 8th, 2006
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Though I believe in god, you have correctly pointed out the fallacies and have proven what can only be proven, that it is simply a matter of faith.
September 8th, 2006
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well done...you forgot to point out his idiotic comment that after trvially labeling the cause of the big bang "the first cause," he answered the objection regarding god's cause simply with the analogy "would you ask who came before the first president?" ...I mean, lol?
September 8th, 2006
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Okay, this is a great argument and as a Christian I too believe that atheism is a faith and that one cannot prove nor disprove the existence of God scientifically, but is it necessary to really beat down on obviously well-intentioned kid who made some really good points? This is a good site and I agree with you, but I really don't want to incite this argument anymore.
September 8th, 2006
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religous YTMND's- for or against- get 1's. I like my YTMND FUNNY, thank you.
September 8th, 2006
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Thanks... but not really too insightful....
September 8th, 2006
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Y'know, I have "faith" that I'll wake up tomorrow morning, but is it a certainty? Nope. And so it is with religion. If someone ever comes back to life three days after they're dead or magically conceives a child, then I might give Jeebus more serious consideration. Until then, it's myth, and should be treated as such.
September 8th, 2006
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You made so many assinine assumptions my eyes began to water. Logic>causal reasoning.
September 8th, 2006
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Amazing a serious discution on the matter of faith
September 8th, 2006
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5, for having infinitely better logical reasoning skills then Whetstone.
September 8th, 2006
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reason ftw
September 8th, 2006
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ah, the uncaused cause... the unmoved mover. Reminds me of college. Nice site. Faith is exactly that... believing in something that can't be proved or disproved.
September 8th, 2006
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Good job. His description of the Argument of Causality was far too... Uhh. What's the word? He added too much sh*t.
September 8th, 2006
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i think the only thing funnier than this and whetstone's sites would be someone trying to prove why scientology works. Somebody please do that.
September 8th, 2006
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A+
September 8th, 2006
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win for logic + pwn
September 8th, 2006
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KEEP RELIGION OFF YTMND. Technicall this all started with The Unfunny Truth about Scientology, lets move on people, no more religious sites please. This isn't the place for it and I hope Max kills any religious site forthwith.
September 8th, 2006
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A great counter to the original piece.
September 8th, 2006
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THERE IS NO CAUSALITY. ALSO NO FIRST CAUSE; THE UNIVERSE LOOPS. LIKE A .GIF.
September 8th, 2006
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excellent disection. But I bet they'll come back to you with lame arguments or out-of-context quotes like Darwin and the eye. Also, Xenu.
September 8th, 2006
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the concept of religion shouldn't bother people, just religious nuts that focus on hate and spurn logic and free thinking
September 8th, 2006
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one of my new favorite ideas came from my friend who, in c lass the other day, mentioned that we have greek, roman, norse, egyptian, etc. mythology. these myths were all based on the religions of the masses at the times. ...why do we not have Christian mythology. it's just as illogical (or logical, if you're stupid) as all the other ones.
September 8th, 2006
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Whetstone's argument uses Dan Brown logic. Nice to ponder about, entertaining, and easy to swallow, but makes some logical jumps that it hopes you don't see.
September 8th, 2006
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great site
September 8th, 2006
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http://godhasmore.ytmnd.com/
September 8th, 2006
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whetstone = pwnt. you = win.
September 8th, 2006
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TRUEEAUAUEUAELEUAELUAEUAE
September 8th, 2006
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F*ck you and your stupid ytmnd
September 8th, 2006
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Wait. I get it.
September 8th, 2006
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F*ck you and your stupid ytmnd
September 8th, 2006
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thank god(hah) somebody did this. i didnt feel like it. oh yea, original author = retard.
September 8th, 2006
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Wait. I get it.
September 8th, 2006
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-4 for religion on YTMND. +2 for logic +1 for Nietzche -1 for Nietzche Also just a thought, but why do people try to prove or disprove the existence of a God when they can't even do the same for their own existence?
September 8th, 2006
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I didn't see the original. Now I don't have to.
September 8th, 2006
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Philosophy 101 FTL
September 8th, 2006
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It's about time someone said it. As I said before, any intellectually honest person will admit that there's a possibility of the existence of a God, but also that you can't prove this existence with 100% certainty. Well played.
September 8th, 2006
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You make sense. Also 5 for Nietzsche
September 8th, 2006
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"steven hawkins?" - thats a joke, right? please tell me.
September 8th, 2006
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im ignorant so im going to one this on the basis that Nietzche's ideas were used as a tool of the nazi party in deutschland.
September 8th, 2006
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THANK YOU!
September 8th, 2006
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welcome to Philosophy 101
September 8th, 2006
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You're way off base in all the wrong ways. Good luck with life.
September 8th, 2006
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i agree - a god or gods exist. but the f*cking judeo-christain-islamic "God"/"Yaweh"/"Allah" does NOT exist (after all, here are so many definitions, "He" can't). I f*cking HATE preachers like you who try to spread you f*cking stupid "faith". if you like to believe that sh*t, be satisified with that, stop trying to convert others
September 8th, 2006
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I agreed with your description.
September 8th, 2006
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Thanks for reciting what you learned in PHIL 100! Oh well... As pedantic as it is, it still beats preachy Christian crap.
September 8th, 2006
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pwnd
September 8th, 2006
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oops, i didn't realize you were being critical. here's +1, but YTMND != soapbox
September 8th, 2006
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"That's proof, and the only proof I've ever seen or heard of, and it's wonderful in its simplicity yet so simple that many people overlook it. " Proof of what?
September 8th, 2006
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flawless victory.
September 8th, 2006
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dropping science like gallileo dropped the orange!
September 8th, 2006
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Thank you for that voltaire quote. That's the most important part of the whole damn presentation. And why you get a five. Now everbody STFU and get back to making humorously stupid YTMND's. A wise man once said: "Debating anything on the internet [(especially religion)] is a bit like the special olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded."
September 8th, 2006
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I'm converted! God exsists, so by the logic of the site, something must have caused God's exsistance. I'm worshiping God's God. That guy must be uber-powerful!
September 8th, 2006
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it's a spiral.
September 8th, 2006
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keep going.
September 8th, 2006
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Indubitably
September 8th, 2006
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you win. preachers lose.
September 8th, 2006
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Tell God to bring back Steve.
September 8th, 2006
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Fived because you had the guts to counter someone who also believed in God as you do. Too bad I shall remain an Atheist.
September 8th, 2006
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very nice rebuttal
September 8th, 2006
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September 8th, 2006
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I see what you did there!
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September 8th, 2006
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This site fails. 1) YTMND is a bad forum for things like this. 2) Your argument does not make sense.
September 8th, 2006
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Wow, an educated YTMND? Shock. Glad to know someone else who believes in God ALSO knows the difference between faith and imperical evidence.
September 8th, 2006
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Sean COnnery Sez: Yes....YES!!! USE YOUR HEAD FOR GOD"S SAKE.
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September 8th, 2006
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i dare say... OWNED IMO.
September 8th, 2006
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So, wait, people are trying to use Science to prove God? Kids these days.
September 8th, 2006
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Voltaire FTW!
September 8th, 2006
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religion = c*cks
September 8th, 2006
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And a challenger appears... What is wetback's response?
September 8th, 2006
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I would take out the last two quotes because they, basically, degrade faith. Asylum and faith in the same sentance? Gross.
September 8th, 2006
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Interesting critique, as it serves more to say that it's foolish to try to prove or disprove a faith based religion. whetstone may have provided some simple reasoning that "fits" God into the scheme of the universe, but that doesn't count as a swaying argument one way or the other.
September 8th, 2006
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I applaud and five your logic good sir. However, I am not downgrading from Atheist to Agnostic simply based on the inability to prove that God does not exist. I also can not prove that BigFoot does not exist, but I feel confident with the lack of real proof for its existance that it does not exist. If I am wrong, then smite me oh mighty smiter! *looks up cautiously*
September 8th, 2006
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I would give you 10 stars if I could. Excellent job of smashing that idiot Whetstone's stupid YTMND into dust. I'd kiss you if I could.
September 8th, 2006
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What makes you so different from the chair you sit in? You're both made up of the same stuff at the subatomic level. The difference is that you have a purpose. All of life has a purpose- to survive, evolve, adapt, consume, etc. I just don't understand how something with such great a purpose can come from something with no purpose at all. Purpose could not have started by chance.
September 8th, 2006
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I go to SCHOOL to learn, and YTMND to laugh. Let's enact some kind of Seperation of Knowledge and YTMND act.
September 8th, 2006
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tarantino your post is God.
September 8th, 2006
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You realize that without facts and doing things through reasoning alone you can also make fiction into fact? Why just look at alchemy and see where that went. Also "non-intellegence cannot create intellegence" is a faulty argument. You're just showing us a view, not fact nor inductive or deductive reasoning. And in the end, it doesnt effect anything in reality anyway. Are you trying to convert us or somthing? Or just trying to self fufill your own thoughts and feelings?
September 8th, 2006
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1 for me flat out disagreeing with you, but 2 for effort, so I'll give you a 3. That, and I do agree with your conclusion that both sides are indefensible and really cannot be scientifically argued.
September 8th, 2006
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◄I have updated my YTMND making this site obsolete. The information in it now either to be updated or disregarded by the reader. http://whygodexists.ytmnd.com/►
September 8th, 2006
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Christian propaganda = 1.
September 8th, 2006
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I'm an agnostic. In my opinion, God has a better chance of existing than not. Although, I have read the bible and researched many religions and have come to realize that if God wanted me to join a particular religion, he would given me atleast the SLIGHTEST proof that this is the one true religion. Why does the persuasive evidence of science compel so many to conclude that the unguided process of evolution accounts for life? If the Bible is Gods word why are there so many real or apparent contradictions? Sigh
September 8th, 2006
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September 8th, 2006
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◄If I had to guess...maybe 75% of your commentors didn't understand your site but upvoted you because they agree that God doesn't exist...despite your site not even being about WHY God doesn't exist. Kinda funny huh?►
September 8th, 2006
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Yes. YES.
September 8th, 2006
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life can come from non life. but most definitions of "life" are to not good enough for detailed arguments. intelligence can come from non intelligence. same definition problem!
September 8th, 2006
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I'm no Churchy McFem, but to say God couldn't be proven is so stupid. God appears to you and says, "I'm God, LOL" There's your proof, moron. If She's never done that for you it's probably because She doesn't like you.
September 8th, 2006
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You fail. Causality only works if time flows linearly, the big bang created spacetime, not just space. Anyway, faith in something in which there is no evidence for is silly. There just as well might be a teapot orbiting Mars - does this mean we should all assume its true? It's no more likely or sensible...
September 8th, 2006
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You forgot to add a part regarding "Can Intelligence come from non_intelligence".. Cus the awnser to that is YES it can. Does a sperm have an IQ? Does a Human Egg have an IQ? Yet combined they create a human ,that with time, will become intelligent.... or as in some cases, not!
September 8th, 2006
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September 8th, 2006
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September 8th, 2006
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Instant 1 for anything that can be looked up on wikipedia (don't worry I have it to the original site too). Also -1 brownie star for presenting ignosticism as the only agnostic point of view.
September 8th, 2006
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a better question is HOW DO YOU KNOW TIME TRAVELS IN A LINEAR PATH. IF IT DOES NOT THE LAWS OF CASUALTY DO NOT APPLY.
September 8th, 2006
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This doesnt really prove anything...like you said of course. The reasoning is a tad silly...What caused the "first" cause then? If there is a cause and effect then obviously something would have to cause that. Also intelligence can come from unintelligence. Bacteria is a simple proof of this. But this is a pretty decent site. Offers something to debate about thats for sure
September 8th, 2006
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Prove causality applies in an extra-universal situation (the creation of a universe is a fundementally extra-universal event).
September 8th, 2006
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Woops, wrong ?
September 8th, 2006
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Winrar
September 8th, 2006
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Since it's faith they shouldn't be trying to push it as a legit theory.
September 8th, 2006
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Well thought-out. :) Oh, and just because he says there's a "god" out there doesn't mean it's the kind you pray to and give shiny things. It just means that there's an external control of the universe that likely cannot hear the cries of the universe's inhabitants. Study things on followings such as Pantheism, and look at some quotes from Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawkings on this. Just because it says "god" doesn't mean it's the god you're used to; it's just a means of showing you the scale of the control.
September 8th, 2006
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Wish I could give you 20 stars.
September 8th, 2006
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"If there were no God, it would be necessary to invent him." -Voltaire
September 8th, 2006
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"keep religion off YTMND" ... (with the exception of lol, Jesus)
September 8th, 2006
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eat sh*t, churchies
September 8th, 2006
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After reading over the comments from both of these sites, I only thought of one vaild coclusion, if the Law of casuality exsists, then this creats an ever constant loop, If This "God" or Entity created the universe, Matter space and Time, Then what caused this Entity? Then what caused that entity, and the one before that, and the one before that,I agree you can't prove or disprove god, but how much sense does that make, honestly?
September 8th, 2006
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September 8th, 2006
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Garruto: Let's make a loop! Big bang - big crumble. BAM! Zwwwoopschlupp. BAM! Zwwwoopschlupp. Cause and effect. Yay! Enjoy!
September 8th, 2006
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lol pwnt
September 8th, 2006
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Well, whetstone... if you actually read the beginning you would see that this is about disproving your argument rather than disproving deities.
September 8th, 2006
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indeed
September 8th, 2006
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God ftw.
September 8th, 2006
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thanks for taking the time to point out every little turd in the other guy's presentation; but you do have to agree that "Omnipotence" is a self-contradictory concept, so we can always say that something "omnipotent" does not exist. Or that things that exist, must be by definition part of the "Universe".
September 8th, 2006
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Flawless. ^_^
September 8th, 2006
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What caused god? I win.
September 8th, 2006
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When did half understood Cartesian proofs become fad fodder?
September 8th, 2006
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5'd for n64 kid
September 8th, 2006
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take a first year philosophy class? it wants it's first 2 classes back.
September 8th, 2006
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o_O
September 8th, 2006
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Thank you for spreading the truth, if only more 'Christians' were like you. Bless you. -JC
September 8th, 2006
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Was all good until you started with the religion.
September 8th, 2006
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thanks for analyzing dude's ytmnd. he chalked a couple of principles and people act like he just figured out some new principle that's going to change the way people think. heard that same debate about 100 times. oh but you should have some more NEDM.
September 8th, 2006
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ytmnd just keeps getting better
September 8th, 2006
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You get a 5, sir.
September 8th, 2006
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Your refutation is correct, but your conclusion is wrong. It is possible to prove a negative, but not through appeal to evidence. If the assertion (in this case god) is self-contradictory, then it can be disprove by appeal to logic. For example I cannot disprove that cricles have four equal-angled corners (a square-circle) by appeal to evidence- I can't collect every circle in the universe and prove it. However, the disproof can be achieved using logic- but only because the claimed concept is self-contradictory and nonsensical. The concept of god is the same.
September 8th, 2006
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u roxxor!
September 8th, 2006
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i hope everyone enjoys these slideshows, they're probably the future of ytmnd.
September 8th, 2006
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Well then I believe in the Giant Spagetti Monster and you can't prove me wrong.
September 8th, 2006
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nice try, you're an idiot.
September 8th, 2006
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wow, i loved all of the evidence you presented proving that god exists. god ist tott.
September 8th, 2006
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honestly, why did you title this "why god exists" if that's not your position and it's also not what the topic of this lame ytmnd is?
September 8th, 2006
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not all of the universe and dimentions go by our own laws and rules, fail.
September 8th, 2006
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ignorance is bliss, the bible is a fairy tale that insults anyone who does not believe everything it says
September 8th, 2006
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Soapbox much?
September 8th, 2006
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5'd for motherf*cking common sense
September 8th, 2006
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about time
September 8th, 2006
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Hey souloftime -if not everything goes on the fundemental rules we have observed and live our life around, then whats the point of the logically aproaching the arguement? Logic is the rules and system of aplication that we take for granted, so if we can't aplly those rules and system to a debate it is unclear whether it is a debate or just a series of speculations. So if God defies logic we can't debate about him. Another way to the same point that this site is making.
September 8th, 2006
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thanks. i really hated that guy
September 8th, 2006
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ah the age old fight between "I'm right and I hate you because you're wrong" and "Nu-uh I'm right and I hate you because you're wrong!"
September 8th, 2006
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Someone make a "why god doesn't exist" ytmnd and show all the sh*t that's happening and that has happened that proves there is no God.
September 8th, 2006
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Alright, my views are unimportant. Everyone here has unimportant views. They are not entertaining. I don't come home, sit down and think "Man, I want to relax. I think I'll listen to people debate faith based topic into eternity." Does God exist? STFU! You can't prove jack people, this argument can not be resolved. People have been trying just about all of human history, and have failed to make a definant assertion. We, the retarded jabbering monkeys of this site, will not make any more progress than the millions of philosophers who went to their grave without a definant answer. Give it up people, Nobody cares about your views! You want to share your views? Get a god-damn myspace!
September 8th, 2006
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ive had enough of this in my Philosophy and Psy classes.....god doesn't exist
September 8th, 2006
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To quote the great Lewis Black in regards to creationism: "We have fossils....WE WIN!!" Ps. Stephen Hawking > "God"
September 8th, 2006
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Lol @ the people who can't tell that this is a rebutal of Whetstone's ytmnd. Maybe you need to add a clearer explanation of that up front.
September 8th, 2006
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What this means is that being anything other than an atheist is not logical. It is not necessarily detrimental, but ONLY if you do not make any bad decisions based on your belief. I, for one, believe that I am the incarnation of Baphomet, myself a creation of a greater being. But I'm not going to do and sacrifice people to myself for it. My judgements and morals are all based on amoral logic.
September 8th, 2006
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3 - you didn't do enough to counter his arguments, and were more insulting than debating.
September 8th, 2006
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Five for using real logic. Fix that spelling though, hawkins.
September 8th, 2006
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First of all, to everyone clamoring for religion to be (for lack of a better term) banned from ytmnd's, stop. This is not a matter of religion. This is an exercise in logic that aims to answer one of the questions that has not been answered for all of our history and will most likely remain so well past our lifetimes. YTMND is a forum of sorts. People can bring up whatever subject they want, whenever they want, however they want, etc. If someone wants to ponder the existence of a higher power, great. If it sparks controversy and debate, fantastic. People are too inherently lazy anyhow, all they want is a cheap laugh and not have to do or think about anything.
September 8th, 2006
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The universe, and everything we know (and do not) know about it was god's grade nine science project. And he (or she) just like everyone else, threw theirs out after it was no longer useful to them, and has since moved on to graduate high school. Perhaps in college, he or she has a better project to work on. Or maybe, god is working at some sort of galactic fast food place, flipping burgers or making fries for beings other being in exchage for some form of currency.
September 8th, 2006
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That dick had it coming.
September 8th, 2006
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I believe in God. Also, this was interesting. 5d.
September 8th, 2006
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No matter what anyone says to try to prove it, god doesn't exist in my book.
September 8th, 2006
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A well reasoned and valid response.
September 8th, 2006
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BTW I'm 1'ing this because you decided to debate reasoning over wether god exists. that was your first mistake.
September 8th, 2006
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lol, athiests
September 8th, 2006
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5 for truth. Amen, agnostic brutha.
September 8th, 2006
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One second thought, I'll ellaborate: This was very short, only tried bebunked one or two points (quite poorly I might add) and you only seem to make yourself out to be one of those people trying to fit in with the geek-athiests on the intarweb. You failed, and failed miserably.
September 8th, 2006
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3'd for good point...but this "lets be smart" sh*t on YTMND has got to go. if i wanted info i'd go to wikipedia k thnx.
September 8th, 2006
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Correct. I believe in a God, but I also believe that anyone trying to prove God's existence using logic is an idiot.
September 8th, 2006
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your chemically induced logic is limited. the matrix has you. fail.
September 8th, 2006
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didnt even watch it. I dont care if it is pro or anti God, it doesnt belong on ytmnd
September 8th, 2006
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Nice. Although I disagree about the how you stated "Intelligence cannot come from non-intelligence" (WE evolved, duh. You're wrong.), this is a very well done YTMND. Very well done. I commend you with a four star.
September 8th, 2006
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I enjoy ytmnds that make you think a bit. Good job.
September 8th, 2006
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True Dat. you can't prove either. So stop trying to do so on this website.
September 8th, 2006
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I WAITED THROUGH THAT WHOLE F*CKING THING... AND NO NEDM?! WHAT THE F*CK?! HOW DARE YOU?!
September 8th, 2006
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I think whether a god exists or not is the wrong debate anyway. The better question is: is there any reason to think there is a god? In this day and age, with what we know from biology, geology, etc etc, there's nothing other than ancient myth and superstition to make people believe there's a god. Sure, it's possible that gods do exist; anything's possible. But there's no good reason to think they do, imo.
September 8th, 2006
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when you said that the bible was wrting by God acually no it wasent it was written by a variaty of people Peter, John, Mark theres a huge list....GG
September 8th, 2006
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-2 for plagiarism, -1 for being owned by chichiri.
September 8th, 2006
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you clearly know what ur talking about. however YTMND is not the place to be pushing reiligon down other peoples throats. I do like the fact that u weren't putting down other reiligons just saying that there is a higher power. GOOD JOB. we dont have enough ppl like u... just dont put it on YTMND......
September 8th, 2006
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learn2spell
September 8th, 2006
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Stop this bullsh*t already
September 8th, 2006
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http://mousewaxathiests.ytmnd.com
September 8th, 2006
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Did you even think about this? You're pretty much saying that "god can't exist because nothing can be supernatural." Well why can't it? Because you say so? Whetstone proved that the universe had a beginning point. You agreed with that. So obviously something created the universe. This something would have to be supernatural, meaning independent of the universe (because it existed before it) and therefore not subject to its laws (because whatever "it" is, created said laws). In short, you contradicted yourself in a way that invalidates your entire argument.
September 8th, 2006
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lol i was created by semen
September 8th, 2006
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5 for a perfect agnostic argument.
September 8th, 2006
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I can now read faster than ever before.
September 8th, 2006
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you lost me on "a critical analysis"
September 8th, 2006
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these "smart" ytmnds seem to be catching on... nice work even though i didn't understand it.
September 8th, 2006
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boooooo
September 8th, 2006
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religion blows
September 8th, 2006
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Quantum mechanics blows away determinism.
September 8th, 2006
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Vector (A.K.A. Vector1337) is a Communist from Belgium who wants to spread communism around YTMND. He upvotes all sites involving Communism (positively) and downvotes the sites that are hate towards communism. His sites are rated more than 2.00, and is a very nice guy that likes to share ideas with his buddy's. Vector's I.Q. is very high, and he doesn't like dumb people, even if it's not their fault they're dumb. His average voting is 4.33, and he voted on 5465 sites.
September 8th, 2006
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MONKEYS EVOLVED FROM THE BIBLE
September 8th, 2006
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5 for making the site I wanted to make. It's impossible to prove the existance or nonexistance of God, so perhaps Whetstone and Peterguy should stop f*cking trying.
September 8th, 2006
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finally...some intelligence
September 8th, 2006
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Use basic logic, for God's sake... Yes...YES.... You're the man now, dog!
September 8th, 2006
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Stephen Hawking, not "Steven Hawkins".
September 8th, 2006
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1'd for poor logic.
September 8th, 2006
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Also, what is "the downs", you may want to remove things that aren't (are no longer?) in what you're analyzing, and quoting people in this fashion is not becoming of a site purporting "critical analysis". (Or if you think it is, I'll quote a priest saying God exists, who should have as much qualification as either of your quotes who implied one doesn't.)
September 8th, 2006
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I BELIEVE IN THE TEAPOT :(
September 8th, 2006
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why do people say "KEEEP RELIGIONO OFFFF OFF YTMND JOO LEWZEREW#$%@#$%$@#" uhhh i think you could also just not look at it
September 8th, 2006
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Wait wouldn't this fall under stolen content? Oh well...I just won't vote...
September 8th, 2006
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So ar eyou syaing god is real or not? I"m kinda confused. Personally, I believe we live on as a form of sentient Energy, and god is a larger form of Sentient energy, and possibily one of the greatest scientific minds around. The Bible would thusly be given to us to help give us, the primitive humans at the time, a basic code of laws. Over time this was mixed around and such, or just misunderstood (Adam and Eve possibily, or that the whole story was made up). My whole idea is too long to type here.
September 8th, 2006
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wonderful....now im torn between believing and not believing in g0d...wtf
September 8th, 2006
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I love how I came back to see what people were saying and someone actually said it's "dan brown's theory." More people say it's pushing a christian agenda... it's not... it's an ancient argument about whether or not it's worth being "good" in this life to avoid "punishment" in the next. IIRC it wasn't even about a christian god. It's just saying that if everything is caused by something else, you can go back to an "uncaused cause" take that as you will.
September 8th, 2006
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win
September 8th, 2006
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Meh, sure god can't be disproven or proven. Fact of the matter is the last 4 points are EXTREMELY convincing and make perfect sense.
September 8th, 2006
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^^ meant to 5 it.
September 8th, 2006
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not bad. i thought some of the same things when i was watching "why god exists." definitely not provable, but i believe it's very likely, given the evidence.
September 8th, 2006
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What's happened here is that you have probably spent many a night making this ytmnd trying to explain/disprove the work of God with mankind's science. That's the most retarded move anyone could make. You can't use our knowledge to explain the knowledge of God.
September 8th, 2006
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Here, I'll take the challenge to you... Give me evidence that Evolution actually happened, because as it stands, I am well prepared to disprove evolution. Therefore, since there is no other way that the earth came to be, save for Creationism and evolution, AND as I said earlier that I can disprove evolution, Creationism MUST BE REAL. I can (and have before) prove Creationism by DISPROVING EVOLUTION thus leaving this ytmnd to die a failure.
September 8th, 2006
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^KingD is retarded. anyone who doesnt believe in evolution seriously needs to re-examine their life.
September 8th, 2006
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Kingd there is substantual proof that creationism is false (such as dinosaurs) so what you are saying just sounds idiotic. Evolution can almost not be disproven (i want to see you try). Maybe you should look at evolution a little bit more before you say you can easily disprove it.
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