Pale Blue Dot (an atheist's view - tiny update)
Created on: September 27th, 2006
Pale Blue Dot (an atheist's view - tiny update)
Damn that's a lot of comments. I've responded at http://skeptobot.blogspot.com - but that is just a quick rant. I will put a more professional post there later. It also has the picture & quote in full.

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September 27th, 2006
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^_^ , Well done
August 13th, 2009
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THIS SITE IS F*CKING STUPID
August 13th, 2009
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It's adem and eve not adem and steven!
August 13th, 2009
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So the punch line is, no one cares? Like we all come to YTMND to watch you jerk off to Carl Sagan. Carl Sagan was also an arrogant f*ck face, much like most atheists. People who've REALLY moved forward don't care about religion, or don't bother to let their belief get in the way of logic. So shut up.
August 13th, 2009
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The fact that you find Carl Sagan to be so super awesome and are sitting here ready to debate religion shows how simple YOU are. F*ck religion and f*ck YOUR religion of trendiness.
September 27th, 2006
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let me know if too fast/slow etc. (Woo, up and coming)
September 27th, 2006
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Find a message board and whine about it.
September 27th, 2006
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September 27th, 2006
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Awesome.
September 27th, 2006
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deep. i like. :)
September 27th, 2006
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Your YTMND not only makes ad hominem attacks in order to try and frame your opponent, but you don't even address ANY point that whetstone provides, whether or not his beliefs are true.
September 27th, 2006
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I almost cried :D nice job.
August 13th, 2009
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PUSSY!
September 27th, 2006
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God made that dot. Whoo God!
September 27th, 2006
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Too fast, but I like.
September 27th, 2006
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I was totally expecting NEDM. Also, misses the point of YTMND.
September 27th, 2006
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Great rebuttal man, well said. 5'ed.
September 27th, 2006
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Sorry, the *we are so small and insignificant therefore there is no God* theory is not a good one and has nothing in it save just that. It is the way you see it, I see it as *Gee, all that space and God focuses on US? Damn we must be increbibly important beings*.
September 27th, 2006
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1'd for powerpoint. also 1'd for mentioning whetstone. I come here every day and have never run across one of his sites and you losers cry for hours about how he needs to be banned and rebut his points and all that jive. Just get over yourself and your views. Get over it all and just ignore the bastard if you dont' like what he has to say.
September 27th, 2006
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i got bored, ill give you the benefiet of the doubt and 4 you.
September 27th, 2006
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He's not spamming anything. You choose to watch them. Second of all the size of our planet in comparison to space doesn't prove anything except that God created a large universe and it only shows his power. So why don't you stop spamming your rebuttals and just let him post. This doesn't prove anything about God's existance. God isn't going to be found in a picture. God isn't bound to our physical world. Using pictures from space shows nothing. At all.
September 27th, 2006
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very well said =) enjoyed reading every bit of it
September 27th, 2006
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cool... uh, we're that speck in the brown line? or a different speck.
September 27th, 2006
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Good points. Very well done. A little longer on the big paragraph a little over halfway through. As to absdefg, the point was not to counter points made by others, but to bring up a new point. Noob.
September 27th, 2006
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Take (A Whetstone rebuttal) out of the tite so these drones can stop crying
September 27th, 2006
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Whoa. Deep, man. I dig.
September 27th, 2006
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Carl Sagan= Automatic 5
September 27th, 2006
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kill yourself. kill yourself. KILL YOURSELF.
September 27th, 2006
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Very good points... although I still am waiting for a truely atheistic rebuttal to Whetstone... Oh well.
September 27th, 2006
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And off up and coming, well that was fun whilst it lasted. It's not meant to argue his points. I also state that I think he should be allowed to make his sites. I am against banning him. I just wanted to make a site about the beauty an atheist *can* see - to go against his "all athiests are infidels that hate the world" sites. Nothing more. That and I think the site stands on its own.
September 27th, 2006
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5
September 27th, 2006
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Good idea Sexymofo-ptkfgs. I have.
September 27th, 2006
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Your wikipedia link is unfinished. Post it again. I want to see more of this pale blue dot.
September 27th, 2006
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The problem with just taking out your title is that it is still geared in the first three 'frames' as being against him specifically. Just changing the title does not remedy the fundamental flaw in your YTMND.
September 27th, 2006
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well said, can you help me out and provide the text somewhere? I'd like to hold on to this.
September 27th, 2006
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I'll sponsor this if you make sure to keep Sagan's words in quotes all the time. Otherwise, frickin' fantastic.
September 27th, 2006
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D'oh it's here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Blue_Dot A tiff hi-res image is here: http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/view_rec.php?id=601
September 27th, 2006
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Hell, if you wanna feel insignificant, think about all the theists and atheists smarter than you that beat this debate into the ground centuries ago.
September 27th, 2006
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Wasn't too fast for me, but it was pretty good. The music suited it well, too. Nice one.
September 27th, 2006
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t3knomanser - made the change you asked for - thanks for pointing that out - regardless of whether you will sponser it.
September 27th, 2006
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That's the most ridiculous comment I have ever had - well done at missing the point Goldrush. But then as the creator of "God will f*ck up Muslims" what can we exoect.
September 27th, 2006
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"A rebuttal of Whetstones idiocy" "It's not meant to argue his points." O Rly? What is a rebuttal? You still have whetstone in the keywords and description. If you want to talk about beauty you see as an atheist, more power to you. Just stop with the whetstone stuff
September 27th, 2006
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digiclipse, you can get the text here: http://www.randi.org/jr/122801.html
September 27th, 2006
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stop fanning the slames already
September 27th, 2006
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crap... flames... i meant flames... but please stop...
September 27th, 2006
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Of course I'd sponsor this- if whestone can get his crap on the sponsored list, this certainly deserves to be there. 'Sides- Max needs the money.
September 27th, 2006
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I'm big enough t admit when I'm wrong - I will leave it like this for now, as I'm going to bed - in the morning if everyone thinks I should remove all references to Whestone - I will. Oh wait - t3knomanser sponsered it $20, it's totally his call - thanks man!
September 27th, 2006
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Oh, it's anti Whetstone? Automatic 5.
September 27th, 2006
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:)
September 27th, 2006
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I couldn't care less about whether whetstone is in there or not. I'm in it for the Sagan.
September 27th, 2006
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I nearly cried.
September 27th, 2006
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-4'd because you show us that you obviously have no idea what the real point of Carl Sagan's comment was.
September 27th, 2006
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Very good representation of the kind of beauty Atheists find in the world. Just make sure that people don't start spamming Atheist sites into the sponsor section, as it would be hypocritical.
September 27th, 2006
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*Didn't take the first time around*
September 27th, 2006
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Could've been better made but 5'd for the concept
September 27th, 2006
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Maybe you should just shut up and not view the sites. Quit flinging this "Whetstone is a theo-fascist" sh*t around.
September 27th, 2006
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You know, we could all be reading a book right now.
September 27th, 2006
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Awe inspiring.
September 27th, 2006
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you forgot poland.
September 27th, 2006
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Quite nice. Best use of this music yet.
September 27th, 2006
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You show there is still some intelligence in YTMND. I also believe that we shouldn't banned christains-or any other religon- from posting their views. In my opinon, the internet was made for this. To Share eachother's views on politics, religon, and many other things..... Its also a series a tubes :P
September 27th, 2006
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Carl Sagan needs to get laid
November 18th, 2009
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Being a famous astronomer and philosopher he's probably gotten more indie *ss for one comment like this then you ever will in your entire life.
September 27th, 2006
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sniff...
September 27th, 2006
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Just because you disagree with his sites doesn't mean you can call him an idiot douche and use some machine we tossed into space with some nerd's philosiphy as proof that his ideals are stupid.
September 27th, 2006
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That was beautiful beyond all belief. Words like that give me some faith in humanity.
September 27th, 2006
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god made the universe. woo god! by the way plz put an arrow on the pic, i'm not sure, but maybe that dot inside that ray is earth? its the only pale dot i see. by the way, WWWRRROOONNNGGGGGG!!!!!!!
September 27th, 2006
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What the hell people, he just put a Carl Sagan quote. What little he did create was poorly done and at odds with the same quote you find so great. Don't five it just because he is on your side of the argument, thats just as bad as spamming money to get it on the top sponsored list. It seems on this website the religious have the money, while the anti-religious have the numbers. You ask them not to abuse the resource they have, and so you too should heed this advice.
September 27th, 2006
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Wow. Just wow. That is really spiritually powerful, something us non-believers rarely get to feel. And on a side note, atheists and agnostics (myself of the latter group) are morally superior to religious nuts, because we act good to others without having to be threatened with torture and hellfire.
September 27th, 2006
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Well.....what's the point of this? Besides attacking other beliefs?
September 27th, 2006
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Saw the whole thing, awesome.
September 27th, 2006
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anyone who believes that 2 naked people in some ultimate field of beauty ate some golden apple off of a mystical tree, is pretty stupid. *cough*goldrush*cough*
September 27th, 2006
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Make no mistake- Sagan's is a lovely writing, but it doesn't deal with the ugliness of this YTMND (Or the meaning of beauty to him- Rather, it is a piece made to warn, to inspire- to astonish its reader and make them realize how small they really are and how much we must value our home, because it is our only home- But nothing is mentioned of its beauty). Annoying, unfitting music, Comic Sans MS, and a straw man argument of your own are the repulsive icing on this putrid cake of filth.
September 27th, 2006
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40million years ago... Show me a golden apple tree and i'll believe you
September 27th, 2006
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i like the change from other religion based rants. although we can only believe what we feel true because there is no point in trying to change other's beliefs.
September 27th, 2006
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5'ed. Excellent response to whetstone and the others. Very Beautiful. And bonus points for having what sounds quite like the running in the 90s theme in classical music form.
September 27th, 2006
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"God made that dot. Whoo God!" Roffle. :D Very deep. Also, that image looked like cloth to me until you explained it.
September 27th, 2006
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Even though it was beautiful, being atheist has nothing to do with what they acheived.
September 27th, 2006
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very emotional....5'd
September 27th, 2006
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Nice job, aside from the flaming. In my opinion, this YTMND shouldn't be about who's right or wrong. No matter how hard anyone here tries, no one is going to prove anyone else wrong. Name calling doesn't prove a thing. You can't prove anyone right, nor anyone wrong. However, that being said, I know what I belive, and that's that. Anway, again, aside from flaming religious beliefs, this YTMND is beautiful. To realize that in this universe, we are not even a spec on a spec, that is an amazing thought.
September 27th, 2006
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Brilliant, I'm a tad of a slow reader, so I found it about 2 seconds fast on the 2 longest quote slides.
September 27th, 2006
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Bashing other people's religion is equally as douchy and idiotic as you claim preaching is.
September 27th, 2006
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Some hypocrisy going on here. Accusations of straw man arguments made by the religious are being flung by the skeptics camp, yet a few of their own (the maker of this YTMND and TightenUpTheGraphics included) are doing the exact same thing with their ignorant "fear of hellfire" argument.
September 27th, 2006
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well done mate
September 27th, 2006
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+5 because of sweet picture and very thought provoking qoute. -0 because im Christian, everyone has a right to their beliefs. -1.. Whetstone is not a douche ;)
September 27th, 2006
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Thank (the nonexistent) God for you. What a powerful image. The only thing I would've changed about this YTMND would be to re-draw the arrow. It was just that good.
September 27th, 2006
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athiest hegemony ftw
September 27th, 2006
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i dont like the religion-related ytmnds, but this one is nice
September 27th, 2006
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Nicely done. It really captures the sense of awe I feel when I consider the incredible accomplishments of the human race. That's why I'm a secular humanist.
September 27th, 2006
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lose all the stuff at the beginning about religious ytmnders. it just sounds petty. the sagan quote speaks for itself. speed is just fine. gj
September 27th, 2006
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Nicely done. Powerful presentation. I would like it better though if you removed the reference to whetstone.
September 27th, 2006
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F
September 27th, 2006
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I was offended, being a religous person, a protestant Christian, in fact, but that's aside the point. Now I am not biased on the fact that you are an athiest, and to prove that, I'll give you a three. but seriously, if this whetstone guy (proof of God ytmnd or something, right?) is such an idiot, let everybody else downvote his site, but don't waste a site to declaring that he is an idiot. He is somewhat of an idiot for trying to make a majority of ytmnd believe in God,because that is not humanly possible.
September 27th, 2006
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1 because i like believing i have a place to go to when i die where i will experience the untimate contentity (if thats a word. i meen the perfect happiness)
September 27th, 2006
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not funny. i didnt come here to learn and care, f*ggot.
September 27th, 2006
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2006-09-27 19:26:19 nugget F
September 27th, 2006
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A purely atheistic view properly follows what can be derived with current knowledge and logic, leading (by logic) to belief in reductionism and promotion or adoption of radical social Darwinism. A secular humanist is not a pure atheist in the sense that he places his faith in the human race and cherished altruistic values rather than in the evolution of it into something superior- To abandon altruism and care only for oneself or oneself's mates- to ensure only the survival of the strong.
August 13th, 2009
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Jeeesus Christ, I was full of sh*t. I'm an agnostic atheist now, but one thing I have to give my old self props for was recognizing that this is still a sh*tty YTMND.
August 13th, 2009
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I know what you mean lol
September 27th, 2006
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TightenUpTheGraphics Said: "And on a side note, atheists and agnostics (myself of the latter group) are morally superior to religious nuts, because we act good to others without having to be threatened with torture and hellfire." ---------------------- That is truely sad if you think that is why we belive in God, if I were to commit an act that would save many and at the same time destroy my soul or cast it into eternal dark or torture, I would still do it for the good of the world and its people.
September 27th, 2006
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Different music would have made this so much better..
September 27th, 2006
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You. Are. My. Hero. Thank you, Whetstone is an ignorant jackass who thinks he can just shout his belittlings from the skies and rain the wrath of God onto YTMND. This YTMND was eye-opening and a little depressing almost. It blew me away. I can honestly say, that now that I have seen this site, I view life in a whole new fashion. Thank you. ...Also, c*cks :D
September 27th, 2006
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So many people miss the point of this. The idea is that you don't have to be religious to love the world and to look at it in a myriad of different ways. Religion is not something required to have a happy, fufilling life or to accept the reality of the world. Well, anyways, that's what I took away from it, though I'm sure everyone should get something different out of it.
September 27th, 2006
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It is ignorant to assume religeous people belive in God to get a *free ticket* to heaven. There are these kinds of people in both parties, atheists that don't belive in God so they can commit horrible acts and never be judged, and at the same time religeous people that follow the everlasting covenant and other belifes because they want a ticket to heaven.
September 27th, 2006
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Had I been an atheist, I would (as per the bias of my social conditioning) choose Secular Humanism as my philosophy to avoid having to acknowledge the ugly logical entailments of purely logical atheism. I am, however, a former Christian turned agnostic, and believe in pursuing the answers to the origins and reason behind the existence of the universe rather than assuring myself of an uncertain truth, be it of a God creating this plane or of it coming into being arbitrarily...
September 27th, 2006
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1 for calling Whetstone a douche bag and then quoting someone who is advocating peace. there are surely good atheists who contribute but youve made it clear in this YTMND that you aren't one of them. Also, 1 for calling creationists ignorant when you're an atheist. Agnostic is all fine and dandy but atheists who call creationists ignorant are just funny.
September 27th, 2006
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... awesome well done and makes and excelent point. Carl Sagan is a true patron of freethinking views. I agree completely. But the fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright Brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown. Carl Sagan
September 27th, 2006
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normally i'd 1 this for religious propaganda, but that quote was beautiful in a sad kind of way.
September 27th, 2006
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"1'd for mentioning whetstone" I am sick of this kind of sh*t. ATTENTION *SSH*L*ES! Arguments happen. *gasp* If there's room on YTMND for preaching there's room for this. Just because you can't stand anything other than laughing doesn't mean you one YTMNDs that are serious. Oh, and by the way, YTMND is only a humorous site because people make humorous YTMNDs. If someone does something different that's their choice.
September 27th, 2006
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Oh, and one more thing. Have a real reason for downvoting, ok? Here's an excellent example: "-4'd because you show us that you obviously have no idea what the real point of Carl Sagan's comment was"
September 27th, 2006
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I meant to say *there are these people in everything and not all of them are like this
September 27th, 2006
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is this a face that cares? :|
September 27th, 2006
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This is not a tribute to Carl Sagan, but rather uses a beautiful writing of his and twists it to the ignorant ends of its creator. PLEASE, for the sake of Whomever or Whatever it is you believe in, TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE QUALITY OF THIS SITE INSTEAD OF RATING IT BASED ON YOUR PERSONAL RELIGIOUS OR PHILOSOPHICAL OPINION. That is not free thinking nor does it promote free thinking- it proves instead that you are a slave to your own closed mind.
June 15th, 2007
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[+]
June 17th, 2007
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Quality is paramount, yet so is intent.
September 27th, 2006
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http://dr-l337.com
September 27th, 2006
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+5 for thought-provocation, -4 for making it a personal vendetta, and +3 to balance out the idiots who can't see the beauty of oblivion.
September 27th, 2006
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wow, i wonder how much weed Carl Sagan smoked. But he's an awsome guy. I enjoyed the read, not because of the whetstone bullsh*t, but because I am fascinated by space and Carl Sagan
September 27th, 2006
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There is no beauty in oblivion. Only death.
September 27th, 2006
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jmac85, what does that have to do with the existence of God in any way shape or form? Our planet is small, whoo. That has absolutely nothing to do with whether God is out there or not. Also I ask you, why would we require a planet any bigger? @ Calidus, there are always .. well deadsh*ts and these kinds of places on both sides of the arguement that downvote for no reason, just try to ignore them as it is not possible to change a person that does not want to be changed.
September 27th, 2006
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BAHHAHAHAHAH! great! Whetstone needs to f*cking learn where this sh*t takes place. His views could be picked apart by any half-minded individual, yet he keeps lieing to himself. you don't even need to respond to that sh*t 5 for ignoring his pathetic attempts.
September 27th, 2006
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I'm not an atheist nor an ultra-bible thumper, but its an awe inspiring YTMND.I give you this neutral 3.Sponsored by Switzerland.
September 27th, 2006
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This ytmnd is a waste of time and space. Sorry.
September 27th, 2006
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F*ck Whetstone. Let him believe whatever crap he wants, but don't allow him to try to convince others to conform to his worldview.
September 27th, 2006
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pure sh*t. not funny.
September 27th, 2006
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Most excellent.
September 27th, 2006
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A good, decent usage of Carl Sagan. Not wholly appropriate for YTMND, being as this IS a humor-based site, not a soapbox. My issue with most atheists stems from that fact that they tend to be just as narrow-minded as the slap-happy rabid Christians. You spout your 'logic' and demand that anything outside it cannot be true, simply because you don't believe in it. My personal believes are as follows:
September 27th, 2006
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I remember that pale blue dot from my astronomy textbooks, that quote from Carl Sagan was beautiful, I never read it before
September 27th, 2006
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(continued from above) With the amount of free-form chaos out there, the random happenings, the exciting discoveries, to find that over and over and over again that there are RULES laid out for the universe to follow, without exception, makes me wonder at the idea of a grand design. This is not to say that theories about there being a God are correct, or even that a full lack of God is correct - but to deny one or the other for the sake of "being right" is a little silly. I would rather keep my mind open.
September 27th, 2006
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Truly commendable, Lynx.
September 27th, 2006
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remove the first slide, still a great piece of work
September 27th, 2006
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Religion has damaged this pale blue dot enough. Keep your "God" to yourself, kthx.
September 27th, 2006
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...Also Poland
September 27th, 2006
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heh, getting closer
September 27th, 2006
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I believe in god, but whetstone is being a bit of a douche, so I'll settle with a three.
September 27th, 2006
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it's not a moon!
September 27th, 2006
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So true, if only more people could understand.
September 27th, 2006
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wow
September 27th, 2006
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@SilverLynx: Well said mate, when it comes down to it there is always the possibility of either side being right or wrong. @Impooter: What are you implying? Please respond properly to avoid looking like a fool.
September 27th, 2006
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Although I do belive quite strongly in God
September 27th, 2006
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...awful lot of honkeys 'round here.
September 27th, 2006
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I really liked this ytmnd because I too am fascinated by space, but your ignorance of religion is wrong. Unlike macro-evolution, space exploration does not contradict the bible. It's extremely small minded not to believe in such things. I'm not saying that what whetstone is doing is right, but you should ask your self what you have to lose by following a religion... nothing. Your apology was cool although unneccisary if that's how you feel about him (he's an extreme nutjob IMO).
September 27th, 2006
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Carl Sagan is greater than any religious prophet who ever lived
September 27th, 2006
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btw i just love the responses from the people who 1'd it. not the guys who bitched about the ytmnd being uncreative, but the ones who fanatically attack this, its so typical of religous types. fanatics. look it up.
September 27th, 2006
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I'm not Athiest, I believe in God, but it's an interesting quote that shows how small we really are in the universe.
September 27th, 2006
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Quite literally beautiful and thought-provoking.
September 27th, 2006
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Picture, sound, text. LOTS of text :) nicely done.
September 27th, 2006
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you are a douchebag
September 27th, 2006
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was actually gonna 1 this, until i saw the last paragraph. so true.
September 27th, 2006
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'...to go against his "all athiests are infidels that hate the world" sites.' Have I been going to the wrong sites? Because I haven't seen any of those.
September 27th, 2006
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Ah, never mind; found it.
September 27th, 2006
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If there's a thing I hate more than atheists, its smug atheists like you. But that quote is a very good one. 5'd
September 27th, 2006
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wow... just wow, I have nothing to say
September 27th, 2006
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I must ask you, as an atheist - What's so beautiful in being insignificant, in being alone, in having no definite purpose? What's so great about your view? What does this picture do for you but remind you of your insignificance and lack of purpose? I live for a God who is greater than the natural universe. I may as well cease to exist without Him, as shown in this picture. So what do you live for? Is it confined to that pale blue dot?
September 27th, 2006
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carl sagan is my hero.
September 27th, 2006
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Sumguy21 approves of this message.
September 27th, 2006
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oh and "Sorry, the *we are so small and insignificant therefore there is no God* theory is not a good one and has nothing in it save just that. It is the way you see it, I see it as *Gee, all that space and God focuses on US? Damn we must be increbibly important beings*." This has absolutely nothing to do with what he is saying.
September 27th, 2006
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"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in the stars, But in ourselves…" Act I, Scene II, Line 139 from the play Julius Caesar by William Shakespeare
September 27th, 2006
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RIP Dr. Sagan. forever my hero.
September 27th, 2006
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"I must ask you, as an atheist - What's so beautiful in being insignificant, in being alone, in having no definite purpose? What's so great about your view? What does this picture do for you but remind you of your insignificance and lack of purpose? I live for a God who is greater than the natural universe. I may as well cease to exist without Him, as shown in this picture. So what do you live for? Is it confined to that pale blue dot?" It shows the reality of things - that we only have one planet to live.
September 27th, 2006
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It didn't take atheism to build the voyager (certainly, though, a willingness to question long standing religious beleifs, ala copernicus). To me, an admitted atheist, this is a wonderful ytmnd. But it's existance and popularity, along with that of similar counters to whetstone, may effectively signal the theological-philosophical cat being let out of the bag. This could all ed as a positive, provided that tempers don't run too high, and we try our best to find ways to talk to, rather than around each->
September 27th, 2006
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(continued) on and we must make the best of what we have, and that we need to focus on new horizons and stop squabbling with eachother because of wars (which some were started by religion.)
September 27th, 2006
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-> other. If we don't, we'll be end up with both a large amount of animosity, and the death of a very interesting and meaningful, and unusually universally reaching discourse.
September 27th, 2006
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Indeed. I, for one, am not an Atheist, but there is no better example on YTMND that better disproves Whetstone's and otheres' closed-minded arrogance regarding religion. Well done, my good sir, I wish you well.
September 27th, 2006
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remove the remark about whetstone being a douchebag and i'll five
September 27th, 2006
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Beautiful. Absolutely beautiful. I'm pondering pumping some money into this thing; this is far from a sure thing, but the quality, presentation, and the message is making me want to.
September 27th, 2006
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lol, the universe
September 27th, 2006
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That picture is simply amazing. ... I need a hug.
September 27th, 2006
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And another thing. About this rebutting or not rebutting whetstone. Fundamentally, now that almost everyone into the controvery knows that you can't PROVE or DISPROVE the existance of god by now, a sentimental reference would be the most effective means of trying to advocate a viewpoint. After all, the mass of people beleive things regardless of their "provability", and make judgements from sentimentally influenced inductive leaps (including some aesthetic, moral, and most political beleifs).
September 27th, 2006
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I liked this.
September 27th, 2006
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>_< u win
September 27th, 2006
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Better to be a thankful atheist than a believer with a sense of entitlement. 3'd for simplicity. Not that you could improve upon that in this case.
September 27th, 2006
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/win
September 27th, 2006
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sorry, i waited like 3 minutes thinking i could sit through the whole thing, but god damn its too long. attack ads suck also
September 27th, 2006
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What the hell did ANY of that have to do with religion or atheism?
September 27th, 2006
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Maybe you could have chosen worse sfx to accompany this
September 27th, 2006
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September 27th, 2006
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Thank you.
September 27th, 2006
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How very quaint...
September 27th, 2006
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I agree with OmniIcyshelf in that this ytmnd is presented in a biased manner and some of the "omg this site is so good" bs coming from people is ridiculous. However, I don't agree with his whole logical atheism leads directly to social darwinism etc... but this ytmnd is in poor taste. Also, people looking to disprove the existence of God are in for a long fight as most logicians and philosophers will tell you that it is logically impossible to do. Good luck.
September 27th, 2006
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"ugly logical entailments of pure atheism".
September 27th, 2006
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LOLZ, internets.
September 27th, 2006
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I always find it interesting that atheists call themselves "freethinkers", when they chain themselves down to their own perceptions. Yes, the earth is a speck of dust in a sunbeam, but it is still inside the box. When one stops trying to put God in the box, then we realize how much greater He is than us, and even the Universe. The absence of evidence is never the evidence of absence.
September 27th, 2006
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The point I would make regarding the vastness of space is that it by no means justifies a belief in god and it by no means justifies a belief that there is no god. It exists. It is vast. We can't really tell you at this point when it came about or if it has always been or if it comes and goes cyclically (which is to say that it always has been), but it is. Also, I see no reason to believe in the Humanist "affirmation of human dignity" but this doesn't logically lead to social darwinism, either.
September 27th, 2006
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"A rebuttal of Whetstones idiocy by showing the beauty a group of predominately atheist people can achieve." I don't see any beauty here, but, you know, beauty is purely subjective so it's really not that hard for an atheist or anyone to find beauty. Some people think blades of grass are beautiful. I guess I should go and make a secular ytmnd about grass and how it proves that god doesn't exist?
September 27th, 2006
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While I'm on a role: "atheists are morally superior because they're not motivated merely by a fear of god to be moral" ---> If we don't get these moral beleifs an d compulsions, as atheists, from a fear of god, where do we get them. Obviously, for them to be so compelling and universal, and for newly born atheists from a religion to not go on a worry free given spree when given the chance to not be caught, there must be something about humanity other than mere considered beleif for us to hold so ->
September 27th, 2006
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"I always find it interesting that atheists call themselves "freethinkers", when they chain themselves down to their own perceptions. Yes, the earth is a speck of dust in a sunbeam, but it is still inside the box. When one stops trying to put God in the box, then we realize how much greater He is than us, and even the Universe. The absence of evidence is never the evidence of absence." Like I said, strong atheism is an untenable claim. Weak atheism is a natural consequence of an absence of evidence.
September 27th, 2006
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-> stongly to these. Same goes for the argument for belief in god from maintainence of morality (it seems to be that such socially encouraged, non-emphirical beleifs can go both in favor of moral compassion and against it. Certainly in the governmental realm, they've gone very vividly towards the latter on numerous occasions).
September 27th, 2006
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yay another look how small our universe is site disguised as something else. Maybe someone will do us all a favor and use some Windex to wipe that speck off the windshield of the cosmos since Earth is in need of a good rebooting.
September 27th, 2006
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hooray
September 27th, 2006
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im not an aethist, but i thourgoulgy agree with this quote. whetstone's ytmnd uses scare tactics, while u use a quoted from an intellegent person. u win today, sir.
September 27th, 2006
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lol (no)religion.
September 27th, 2006
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You have a point there. 4/5 :)
September 27th, 2006
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All the pro-religion arguments here are all faulty. The arguments don't prove god exists, they take the stance of assuming god exists and then use that assumption to prove he exists. Much like the bible being right because the bible says it's right. Example (Paraphrased) "God made the whole universe so therefore he exists." Religious folk don't have any proof. +5 for everything about this site.
September 27th, 2006
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This YTMND makes me feel lonely. Maybe Jesus can help! (There is much wisdom in these words)
September 27th, 2006
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"im not an aethist, but i thourgoulgy agree with this quote. christianity uses scare tactics, while u use a quoted from an intellegent person. u win today, sir." Fixed.
September 27th, 2006
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Beautiful prose.
September 27th, 2006
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there are all kinds of reasons to downvote this site. +5 for carl sagan.
September 27th, 2006
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Genius. 5 making me stop and really think.
September 27th, 2006
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this is why the church throughout history tried to keep everyone believing the earth was the center of the universe
September 27th, 2006
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A five for showing us the heavens, and our tiny corner of them we inhabit.
September 27th, 2006
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A. Insulting peoples' faith is no way to earn 5's, B. You're assuming that all Christians reject science, which is an assumption that couldn't be farther from the truth, C. Where the heck does he get the notion that there's no sign of help? Is such a gifted mind really so short-sighted as to assume that help could only be found among the stars? Can't he see the wonderful things going on right in front of him? This dude's not a skeptic, he's a pessimist.
September 27th, 2006
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D. What would this guy have to say from the point of view of an electron microscope, where the "tiny dust speck" that is our planet is an unfathomably large reality?
September 27th, 2006
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A very humbling experience.
September 27th, 2006
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There is no god. Science can explain everything. Religion can not.
September 27th, 2006
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Religious YTMNDs have no place on this site, period. It shouldn't make a difference what religion, but it seems that anyone on this site who doesn't believe in a God has some kind of special entitlement to impose their views on and disparage the views of others. In short, if you're going to talk about being open-minded, be it.
September 27th, 2006
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who gives a poop about your views? Also, slow down the really, really long quote. The longest one needs to be about 5 seconds longer.
September 27th, 2006
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5 I say
September 27th, 2006
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No, Whetstone is definitly a douche.
September 27th, 2006
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you like c*ck
September 27th, 2006
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=') that touched me while I touched myself
September 27th, 2006
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awesome
September 27th, 2006
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September 27th, 2006
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There's a large universe out there and mankind is still chained to our planet, although it's not that our planet is such a sad place to be.. it'll be nice to live amongst the stars someday. I do hope mankind goes far, but I doubt I'll see it all in my lifetime. I believe in God and I keep my faith, but I never found Him through a Bible... it just came to me one day when I was watching the stars. Either way, it's all beautiful as is this YTMND. I'd rather see th light enlightening us than blinding.
September 27th, 2006
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I'm not as big on the NEDM fad as some people, but come on, this is YTMND, there's got to be SOME funny (the unfunny truth about scientology notwithstanding =P).
September 27th, 2006
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good points and good quote, underscores how small we really are and how little effect we will make in the universe.
September 27th, 2006
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You're still an idiot regardless.
September 27th, 2006
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His points have been addressed so many times that there is little point anymore. He isn't going to get it. Instead, marvel and be humbled at a universe far vaster and more mysterious than any simplistic ideology or pat fantasy can ever capture.
September 27th, 2006
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Sounds like a guy with nothing to live for, he sounds like everything is pointless.
September 27th, 2006
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Thank you so much, dude. And Whetty is a douche, because he thinks we're bad people.
September 27th, 2006
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"The absence of evidence is never the evidence of absence." No one is claiming that it is. The absence of evidence is simply a good enough reason to say "there is no reason to believe your claims." Atheism isn't an ideology: it's the lack of a PARTICULAR ideology: theism. Non-believers are thus because they don't have reason to believe the claims of some.
September 27th, 2006
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Hey man great job, very powerful stuff to put out there in such a religious world. I like the fact that you added all of the generations of people and all of our loved ones into this ytmnd, and i really really liked the fact that your trying to promote peace between fellow human beings, but im gunna give you a 3 because i'm a catholic and i believe in God and i believe that God did make the universe.
September 27th, 2006
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Umm... I'd like an answer on this... How does my being a christian have anything to do with a general killing people? I don't kill people, yet your presentation makes it seem as if I am a murderer, that your beleifs are correct above all else; And yet, how do your points prove anything for that matter? I fail to see how the a picture of earth from far away gives you a philosophical back-door to saying there is no god. i would like some sort of response.
September 27th, 2006
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eff that, im going 5 babay
September 27th, 2006
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Nobody cares about your religion or lack thereof except morons and histrions
September 27th, 2006
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5'd because god is a f*ggot
September 27th, 2006
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Wow. Just wow. Never, not once, did I ever see Whetstone make a deliberate attack on people who disagreed with him and his views. Yet here you are, with, guess what, a deliberate attack on him and his views. Way to go. The person who believes in God gives us the rational point of view while the athiest resorts to "u suk lol" as a rebuttal. I will not vote on this because I quit watching after "Whetstone is a douchebag" about ten seconds in. But I will say that you, Lave, have done a shameful job here.
September 27th, 2006
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Unfortunately poorly done in comparison, he doesn't insult other users and right or wrong he makes a better argument
September 27th, 2006
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oh and lusciouspear? what did you just say Whetty was? A bad name!! *gasp* hmmm.. lets look at your post: "And Whetty is a douche because he thinks we are bad people."..... Who is "we" and why did you just be hypocritical like that? thats like being racist by stereotyping *insert ethnicity* people as racist, and then calling someone racist when you've never met them before just because they are *insert ethnicity*.
September 27th, 2006
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this site isn't any better than whetstones. Rather than use faulty logic to prove religion (as he does) you use poor logic to disprove it. Basically, your YTMND says, "Hey, look, obviously we are cosmically meaningless" and then "so, let's be nice to each other." What difference does it meake what we do, if we're just a tiny speck in the cosmos?
September 27th, 2006
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Incidentally, for those who probably will say "lol religious fanatic n00b us suxxorz!!1!", I'm not even a strong Chrsitian. I believe in God and Jesus and take Jesus' to heart but I also believe in science. I believe in a set of laws that governs the universe logically, I also believe that God is the ultimate lawmaker and ultimate creator. I believe He created the universe but allowed evolution and that to occur as scientists believe. So if you want to attack me on my views, you're attacking your own.
September 27th, 2006
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christians=owned ATheists RULEZ!!
September 27th, 2006
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Uhh... DragonWok? You jst further deterred lave's point. throughout it he talks about being peaceful and yet you just called God a homosexual... That doesn't evn make sense!! You are extremely immature to just revert to " 5'd cause *insert religious figure here* is gay" You lose. good day sir.
September 27th, 2006
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depressing.
September 27th, 2006
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I don't understand why you rip on religion like everyone who believes in God acts as Whetstone did. There is nothing inherently athiest about a reflection of ones self, and ones home; these are universal feelings. Do not cheapen their power by using your message to undermine another. Your point is well made, and well received.
September 27th, 2006
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uhh.. madcat? science isn't the opposite of christianity dude... so you didn't have to say " I beleive in science too." because technically science is things that aren't commonplace in the religious debate (ex. Newton's laws of Physics) The key is that we need to approach hings, unbiased, or at least with a chunk of the others view. ... and enryt same to you as to DragonWok
September 27th, 2006
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anyone who still thinks that anything on our planet matters even the slightest bit in the cosmic scheme of things after viewing this YTMND must have delusions of grandeur beyond anything I could comprehend. Get over yourselves christians, the sooner you and other religious folk stop your pointless arguing and claims of superiority, the sooner we can live peacefully on this incredibly small dot.
September 27th, 2006
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Starvingwriter is right on some points, because without religion we have no morals. if there were no morals instilled by religion, then life would be just another thing. Killing someone would be as insignifcant as breaking a glass, or a plate.
September 27th, 2006
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yes. YES!
September 27th, 2006
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too many christians on ytmnd. Ima gtfo
September 27th, 2006
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I had sex with everyone on that dot.
September 27th, 2006
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and one more thing... if your beleifs are of life being a random stroke of luck, there being no god, and when we die thats it, then I must ask why you care if someone has a religion or not. Surely, if there is no god, then what we do in our life will not affect our end,( us rotting in our graves by an athiest point of view). So, I ask, please, all the flamers, all the immature people, there is no war, it does not matter, shut up and drop it. let it be. stop insulting each other.
September 27th, 2006
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I loved that. That quote from Sagan is brilliant. There is so much hate in this world its sickening.
September 27th, 2006
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no. you werent wrong at all in calling him a douchebag. kudos to you.
September 27th, 2006
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I'm a Christian I guess, I really dont know what to belive anymore, this was a very good YTMND though, really makes you think.
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