Who Murdered the Most People?
Created on: October 4th, 2006
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It is ironic that atheists love to lump christians into one large ball of filth, and in hypocrisy, argue that "don't mold us into one group! we're diverse!" Keep in mind, atheists, that christianity has its diversity as well, known as denominations. Now the most controversial is probably catholics. Back in their day they were quite the tyrannical figurehead of religion controlling the population with an iron fist. But! their crusades were an effort to win back the holy land stolen from israel by muslims.
The problem with your argument is that it represents capability, not ideology. The Twentieth Century has two developments, the rise of atheistic and secular societies that coincides with major developments in communication, transportation and capability to inflict massive death. Ideology has nothing to do with it, the Christian armies of the American Civil War created the deadliest conflict in American history. Religious numbers are lower here because you can classify the combatants today as secular.
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You need to go to college or ask anybody who does any real research. Research is not sitting on your butt at the computer and typing christians murdered. Go find some books or videos to back your facts up. I can find anything on the internets.
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THE PROPHET WHETSTONE SPREADS THE NAME OF JESUS ON YTMND.
I've officially lost all respect for you. You have continued to post very anti-Catholic sites, and parade around as a Chrisitan. I am Chrisitan, I am not Catholic, but these sites continue to show them as very horrible people because of your very closed minded views. Please stop making these sites. You are not a Christian with your views. Just a very closed minded person. GTFO, please.
denial of religion in government isnt atheism
"the doctrine or belief that there is no God."
that doesnt mean that said society is tended towards violence and murder
seriously...george bush is a professing "Christian"
Hitler talked about doing "God's" work
don't use just catholics as an example
the bible (along with other acounts of history) has recorded millions killing eachother in the name of their god
so its not the atheists that are killing people
its your god
thanks and goodnight
Which is more likely?
A) Regimes that devalue human life are also likely to devalue human rights such as the right to practice the religion of your choice
B) Regimes that do not have a religious basis tend to devalue human life?
Don't tell me you didn't say that: "Those who talk so abominably as to deny their maker will behave abominably when it serves their turn"
The vairant on the false dichotomy, strawman and selected sample that you use to create your "stat" is icing on the cake.
You neglect to realize that all creeds and religions share one common concept "humanity" and that encompasses all the greed and avarice in this world...atheists, christians, they're no different...just people with all the negative aspects that entails. By putting your faith in the "Christian Faith" you are putting humanity on a pedastal. Murder isn't a game.
besides not having the numbers to back you up (that's right, I'm accusing you of pulling it all out of your ass), atheism can't actually be responsible. Atheism has no doctrine, no rules or laws, no divine mandates of any sort. If an atheist kills someone, it cannot be blamed on atheism because atheism doesn't call for deaths or murder, it is simply not believing in gods. Theism has a variety of forms that use holy scriptures and divine rules to govern their followers that DO call for such action though.
People like Whetstone make me ashamed to be a christian sometimes. Whetstone, you almost make me want to give up my faith. What the f*ck is wrong with you? Can't you just leave and stop pushing your ideas on others? That is the foremost killer... pushing your ideas on others... that is what is behind every genocide that has ever taken place, and every genocide that ever will. That is why I hate Christianity as a whole even though I consider myself a christian, and that is why people like you need to die.
This is primarily true of the abrahamic religions such as christianity (ex catholicism) an islam. They specifically call for the murders of people for a variety of reasons. Theism itself cannot be blamed anymore then atheism can, but specific religions are solely responsible for their preachings and what those preachings lead to. What do they lead to? Oh, just people actually following the preachings! Imagine that! Call for the deaths of non-christians or homosexuals and followers of the texts obey!!!
Exactly the point. If there was no religion, then there wouldn't be any athiests. LOGIC FTW Exactly the point. If there was no religion, then there wouldn't be any athiests. LOGIC FTW Exactly the point. If there was no religion, then there wouldn't be any athiests. LOGIC FTW Exactly the point. If there was no religion, then there wouldn't be any athiests. LOGIC FTW Exactly the point. If there was no religion, then there wouldn't be any athiests. LOGIC FTW Exactly the point. If there was no religion, then
Ok. What the hell? I'm Roman Catholic, and found this offensive to anyone truely. You make it look like people who have no religion, who are Catholic, and by god are Poles are evil beings. Muslims, again, are portayed to be murderers.
Dictatorships killed, ideals killed. Majority of the murders are by Soviet Union under good ole Stalin, National Socialist, and other dictators. We also have Chinese, North Koreans, Vietnamese, ect.
Yet you make it seem so one sided.
In Democratic nations you have rights to many things. Religion is one of them. You can be Roman Catholic, Methodist, Baptist, Sunni Muslim, or Athiest. You shouldn't be warring in a nation if it's stable. Nations like Pakistan have certain extremist groups however, yet in Western Democratic Societies we are allowed by choice our religion.
Religion is a base of murder. I don't care who done it. Religious groups can't stay due to wanting power, and scapegoat it on something like a belief or an idea.
Anglicanism took control on England after a sad petty monarch wasn't granted a divorce.
His daughter Mary then forced Catholism on England, causing much killing.
Mary died, and Elizabeth I took throne as a protestant and more play with religion was taken. Wars with the Catholics followed.
Mainland Protestant reforms lead to Peasants' Wars.
People were killed, and it was a chain of events. No one is innocent.
New World settlers who most were of different religions, killed Native Americans. Murderers. :(
What the murderous tyrannical governments all had in common was not so much that they are athiests, but that they were all anti-freedom communists of one form or another. Supression of religion by these rigemes was not the root cause of their brutality, but a tactic used to keep the subjects ('citizens') of these nations under the complete control of the government. This YTMND is close to the truth, but not quite there. The true parameter by witch to measure a nation is FREEDOM, and nothing else.
Hitler was not an atheist you MORONS. I've had more Neo-NAZI friends and read more NAZI literature than you can ever count. Hitler in his speeches always speaks of how god has given him his nation and he is happy that there is a spiritual side to the dutch people. Read here for more info you under educated fool: http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm. And besides you asshat, nobody derives ethics from metaphyiscs. The only exception is fools like you. Go study philosophy of ethics and just get a brain.
Man you're just SOOO damn wrong I just want to cry. Your blind insecurity and hatred for atheists has driven you to such a stupid state that you say the most unsubstantiated junk you feel is right. You probably don't even have a grade 12 diploma. I feel very sorry for you. I'm an Agnostic and a Skeptic but I follow a utilitarian perspective on ethics. Ever heard that word? Utilitarinism? Probably not. You don't know what philosophical ethics is... how can I expect you to know so much. *sigh*
What an interesting logical jump you've made here.
It's Country X's policy to be hostile towards religion, therefor the actions of country X's government are somehow Atheists fault.
What you've failed to account for are the countless PRO-RELIGIOUS governments that have murdered millions, such as Nazi Germany, the USA (post-ww1), and pretty much every European country from the years 0000-1900.
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I 5'd it because you used Karl Marx as the figure head for Atheists like moi. Don't forget the bible thumping ways of Adolph Hitler (non-denominational christian), Hideki Tojo was a Shintoist, Mahmud Al-Ghazni slaughtered over 100,000 buddhists in the name of Islam, the thirty years war left around three million dead on both sides between the catholics and the potestants, you forgot the spanish inquisition. If you add it all up in terms of Theism versus Atheism, you invisible man worshipping freaks win.
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Heh, look at the many idiots that claim "Atheism doesn't call out to hate other religions" or some other BS. There might not be official text, but it's clearly there. Look at the idiots now - "I'm atheist, HURR RELIGION, LOL I'm anti-______!" It's already there. Get a bunch of hateful atheists together and you'd get a crusade going.
1st the USSR and PRC are COMMUNIST not athiest. 2nd those nations didn't kill people because they were religous but because they didn't agree with comunism. 3rd comunists also accept math aswell as athiest, are we to assume that mathmaticains are evil godless killers? 4th you too are an athiest, the only difference is i beleive in 1 fewer gods than you. when you turely understand why you reject Thor, apolo, the great spirt and all the other you will understand why i reject yours.
5th if athiesm was so harmful then how come the worlds sh*t holes are characterized as being strongly religous (middle east) and scandinavia and iceland (most secular countries) have the highest standard of living with no wars or violence. People are being killed for their religous beleifs in the religous nation of Iraq but not in Sweden. Notice a problem? You Fail, 1'd
The Middle East has been at civil war with itself for about 10,000 years, you can't tell me that their death toll is only that small. And the Dictators were not Atheists, BTW. And their actions weren't Atherist either. They ordered the destruction of OPPOSING religions. Nice way to bend the truth, *ssh*l*e.
Voted 1 for being a douche. Oh, and there is a verse in matthew that you should read. It basically says:
Do not preach that you are a good christian (believer whatever), let people come to it on their own. Christianity as an institution is total bullsh*t. Let people come to their faith on their own, stop shoving it down our throughts. You whiney little bitch.
It's pretty sad how people will attack you in such harsh ways for expressing your opinions. Even if this isn't opinion, I have no clue, then it would be fact and a strong fact can be a powerful weapon, and these pathetic little people's fear will cause them to resort to this kind of behavior. Even if I disagreed with you, I wouldn't say that I hoped that you died, or that you were a horrible person, because you aren't. That's my job, lol.
The atheists you mention weren't killing the people because of atheism, but the catholics were killing people because of catholicism. Maybe the atheists killed more people, but atheism wasn't what was killing people. In the religious killings, religion was what caused the killing. Also, you spread out different theisms, but push all the different kinds of atheists in to one category, dramatically altering the results.
Wow. I used to think Sitsu was pretty cool. I am a bit shocked to see he can be such a douche when he disagrees with someone. The fact of the matter is, it isn't fair to generalize any group of people based on religion/race and say 'this is what you all have done'. I don't think there is any person who visits this site that hasn't heard some Christian/Muslim bashing based on holywars & crusades. They use it as an example why mankind would have been better off without religion.
Ironically, the athiest crowd get's some of the same medicine, and suddenly 'it doesn't make sense'. I, my religion, and what I choose to believe is no more dangerous than you and your choice not believe in anything divine. It isn't fair to throw you in the same lot along side the Chinese dicatorship? Think it is fair to throw me in the same lot along side crusaders 1,300 years ago? I hope you all can see the problem with this. Truth be told. Mankind will always invent new reasons to kill each other.
Poland was forcefully taken over by the Russian Communists after WWII and a puppet government was set up. Those figures you posted for Poland can be pretty much added to the Atheists tally.
We did though kill a whole bunch a Muslims during the Battle of Vienna and saved weak Europe from getting taken over. Jea, we rock.
I like informative ytmnd's. However I do think that this just becomes another form of forum flame warring. And if this sort of thing isn't the epitome of a "f*ggy short film," nothing is. Part of me likes argumentative YTMND's, but still the most of me comes here to laugh. To your credit though, I find that your f*ggy short films are reasonably well made.
Karl Marx didn't kill anyone, so why did you put his picture there? Also, the mass murder committed by 'communist' countries has nothing to do with the fact that they are athiest. It has everything to do with their absolute political dictatorship. If you're willing to attribute all murders by them to atheism, you might as well include every death ever caused by a person of faith regarless of it had anything to do with their religion.
Same standard not applied to all 4 "suspects" To accuse Catholics loose figures were cited going back all the way to the crusades nearly 1000 years ago, Muslims killings only included a rough estimate for 1000 years. This Ignores the Muslim invasions of Spain, India, Constantinople etc. Further, Poland was a Soviet Satellite state after WW2. More accuratly, Communists murdered the most in the 20th century, and allthough all "True" Marxist/Communists are Atheists, not all Atheists are Communists
Consider on the opposite end of the spectrum, what regimes have been responsible for the LEAST number of deaths and atrocities? Secular governments, where the state did not interfere in religion, and religion did not interfere in the state at all!! And, by the way, have you ever heard of a single person killed in the name of PanTheism or PanDeism?
How many lives were saved by atheist scientific advances? The Catholic Church actually tried to prevent scientific advancement several times throughout history. I'm a Christian, but I'm nowhere near as narrow-minded as you are. In fact, from a religious point of view, I think that God likes good atheists more than good Catholics. After all, good atheists have no motivation to be good, no hope of heaven. They simply do it because they feel it is the right thing to do. Belief does not matter, actions do.
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I'm not going to vote on this because it is a decent YTMND. But seriously, do you really think religion has anything to do with who kills most people?
When will you naieve idiots finally see it, in stead of just thoughtlessly following what you where told: GOD DOES NOT EXIST! Did you ever see him? I didn't.
I never heard that Stalin was an atheist so what are you talking about? And you are seriously stupid if you think atheism had anything to do with it. It's because they are dictators. Religious and non-religious dictators kill people.
And Hitler caused the whole damn war so I think he should be responsible for those deaths. Your numbers are very twisted.
I know my comment will be lost amongst the gazillions of others here, but I'd just like to point out that your presentation assumes that atheists are somehow united. Catholics killed under the same basic "alliance," as did the other groups that you presented. Stalin was not affiliated or allied with the vast majority of other non-religious peoples that have been responsible for the various genocides that have occured over the past 100 years.
Oh, and by the way, Saddam Hussein is Christian.
The amount of stupid in the comments is enough to make me want to puke. This ytmnd was good because it didn't go with the whole "LOLOLOLOLOLOL people only kill other people because of religion!!!11!" that's so popular nowadays. And if you didn't know, more than 5 billion people in this world have a religion, compared to 850 million atheists/agnostics/non-religious people. (The More You Know). So you can't blame it on LOLOLOL moar atheists=moar killing.
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