| wise up |
| posted by max on 2007-04-30 22:54:49 |
A lot has happened since I started YTMND over 3 years ago. I've seen a group that started with barely ten people form into a massive community of hundreds of thousands. Watching this site has altered my stance on life and my values significantly. When I originally decided to make the site, I had no plans for any sort of moderation, rules, or limits on anything. Ever since my encounter with Dustin Diamond, I've valued free speech as a vital piece of a functioning society. I think very rarely do the "limits" on free speech get truly tested and as a 21-year-old having a problem with authority it was pretty easy to naïvely think that speech should be truly free and there was never a need to censor anything. Censorship is just one of the love/hate relationships YTMND has required me to have. Advertising is another. Recently there was a big uproar about the YFLY corner image which was somewhat expected but overall disappointing. If you feel that after running this site for three years I have yet to acquire the business acumen to know when YTMND staying alive for another month is worth a small sacrifice, then you should just head out now. I'm not doing this to pay for gas for my Ferrari. I'm doing it to keep the site alive. As long as you don't believe that, you are only hurting the community by complaining that the free service you get isn't free enough. I felt compelled to write a synopsis of YTMND's struggle to stay alive over the last few years. It's long, but I think it should clear up a lot for people who care in the least. HistoryYTMND opened its doors in April of 2004. After about three months of running the site and some brief fame, it was pretty clear there was no way I could keep running the site as a hobby and paying for it out of my own pocket. Due to the fact that Ridin Spinnas was one of the most highlighted pieces of content at the time, putting up advertising was pretty much out of the question. So what did I do? I turned the site off and went back to my life. When I first made YTMND, I didn't even envision a community. I never thought YTMND would become a "portal"; I figured people would come here, make a YTMND and then send it to their friends or post it on forums. I didn't think people to actually visit YTMND to see new content. I never expected it to be a destination, only the host of some creations people would see in passing. Obviously that assumption, like many I made during the creation of the site, was pretty far off target. A few months later, I get a message from an acquaintance who owned a hosting company called Reflected. He told me he missed the site and would be willing to host it pro-bono if I thought I could manage to become a paying customer some day. I thought it was a long shot, a really long shot. How would I, someone who has never made a commercial website or product that turned a profit, manage to turn YTMND into a revenue-generating business? I figured "what the hell?" and accepted his offer. I started to contact various ad networks and signed up for Google Adsense. I obviously couldn't put ads on the actual sites due to the content being so varied, and I knew advertisers wouldn't want their ads on Ridin Spinnas. I controlled the content on all of the www pages except for the site titles and comments, so I figured ads on those pages would be fine. I have always designed the site for myself. I occasionally cater to requests from users, but for the most part, the features I work on are things I think I will use often or will be pleased by what they result in. I'm a typical web user. No one likes pop-ups, pop-unders, pop-overs, interstitials, forced viewing of ads etc; it's annoying and in most cases greedy. I try and avoid a site if they have pop-ups, even if they are blocked., I don't visit sites with intrusive ads, and if I'm making a site, I'm going to make it pleasurable enough to use that I'd visit even if I hadn't made it. So I had to figure out a way to put ads on the site without being too intrusive or causing me to feel horrible guilt. I've strived to keep the actual sub-domains of YTMND as clutter free as possible. I want people to focus on the content when they view a YTMND, not the navigation or the advertising. The only reason I even switched from the # ! system to the corner image was because I got a higher resolution monitor and the exclamation point was starting to get hard to click. Granted, it wasn't bad for brand recognition either. I got the idea after I saw a corner ad with the same dimensions on the right side of an article on the Wired website. So I started up with Google as they were the only ones who didn't immediately deny my application. In a short period of time I started getting a lot of email about policy violations. Google law says you may not have content that breaks their terms of service anywhere on your domain. This is about the time I came up with what I call: The "Ridin Spinnas Rule":The first principle is to avoid doing anything that would hinder the creation of the next "Ridin Spinnas." But how? How do I manage to make YTMND profitable enough to pay for its own hosting while continuing to allow the freedom of expression at a level that anyone could make sites like Ridin Spinnas without advertisers being disgusted enough to want nothing to do with us? How could I continue to allow people to make sites covering any topic with any degree of vulgar or offensive material and manage to run a "business"? After reading the terms of service and various agreements for each of the ad networks it was clear I had to make some fairly large structural changes. This was the birth of ytmnsfw.com. I thought, "I know! We just move anything offensive to a different domain! No one will have a problem discerning between something offensive and something which would be fine for a general audience, so I'll just let the users deal with it!" I even made a whole new version of the site with a different color scheme to highlight the offensive content! What a great idea! It was around this time I realized the community I had envisioned where free speech was embraced and valued had not turned out as I planned. I was beginning to notice an alarming trend of young users posting extremely racist and purposefully offensive material. People going out of their way to post animated gifs of kittens having their heads crushed with high heels, piles of bodies in concentration camps, pictures of aborted fetuses and people eating feces. Humor not only in poor taste but obvious and simple, requiring no intelligence or tact. It was disappointing to say the least. To a certain extent this site and the content it contains, how the community portrays itself represents me (and the actual business who at the time was paying to host me for free). I had the choice of sticking to free speech and having to look at horrifying, and in my opinion inartistic garbage, or I start to truly moderate and filter out really distasteful content. Needless to say moderating is mind-numbingly horrible. We created a really simple moderation system, picked up moderators by making a forum post that said "anyone who posts in this thread gets to be a moderator" and that was that. We started with a queue of 150,000 unmoderated sites and by the time we got to 50,000 under our belts anyone who still had their sanity left was so disillusioned with YTMND and the queue had risen to over 250,000. The task quickly began to seem futile. If you think that the majority of YTMNDs are bad, try looking at every YTMND made sequentially, hundreds even thousands per day. You'll realize Inkdrinker may have been on to something. Content is a jokeA quick look at the top viewed of all time will show you that a lot of YTMNDs most viewed content by outsiders originates not from YTMND but from other sites. It's easy to see the irony of users attacking sites that steal content when four out of the top five most viewed YTMNDs were created with the sole focus on content that wasn't even made by the user who made the YTMND. If I've come to any sort of realization, it's clear that a huge percentage of the YTMND population is virtually useless for coming up with original content that's worth looking at. A sad realization, but I think many will agree that it's accurate. This is always going to be an issue on any site where the focus is user-created content. It just comes down to simple numbers; most people aren't going to be very good at being funny or creative. YTMND's ease-of-use has partially encouraged many users to focus on quantity over quality. In the fast moving pace of the front page, people just throw every idea out there in hopes one of them will stick. There is no garbage collection, so over time the entire site just gets filled up with pure crap. I've struggled with coming up to methods of lowering the amount of pure garbage that shows up on the site. I don't feel like it's possible to create a mathematical way to discern between a page having no value and a page being marvelous content-wise. I tried to come up with methods to have users do this, but users in general are selfish and unstrustworthy. The boys club (no girls allowed!)The only method I think truly has a chance to work is filtering who gets to be a part of the community before they can even join. This isn't another Web 2.0 cliché of beta version invite-only junk, it's a way to keep out people the community agrees will be more hurtful to the site than helpful. Making YTMND invite-only would be a big move. I've always felt that part of the site's charm is that you can sign up and make something in less than 5 minutes and have it be available to all. In a perfect world this wouldn't pose a problem. However, the internet is far from a perfect world. Someone recently sent me an article by Clay Shirky (who some of you may remember wrote about YTMND in an article on "Mega-Niches") titled "A Group Is Its Own Worst Enemy". It's a long read but it's pretty amazing how many similarities between the YTMND community and the examples he uses in his article. It's well worth the read if you have any interest in the social aspect of large communities over time. In one area it explains that in any community there will be a group of members that care about the future of the community and will take action to ensure the community continues to exist. It also goes on to explain that these users need to be given the power to "garden" the rest of the community; otherwise they will more or less give up on improving the community. These users need to be given more control over the direction of the site than the average user or those who wish to be hurtful towards the community. Figuring out who these "gardeners" are is pretty much up to me (and as I find them, they help me find more). From searching for new moderators there have been many people I have felt could rise to the occasion but fall short due to sheer selfishness. People who have refused to abide by the simple rules of YTMND simply to get more time in the spotlight. I'm straying off topic, but the point is, the users are what make YTMND. Crappy users make the site crappy, and rather than trying to delete crappy content, it would be far easier to just keep users who create crappy content off YTMND. The hard part is figuring out who to let in and who will add value to the community and the site as a whole. I've spent the last few weeks trying to decide how an invitation system would work. Ideally I'd like to keep the ability to allow newcomers with no ties to the site to join, as well as allowing current users to invite a select few of their friends. Don't get me wrong, I don't want a pseudo invite system like Gmail where anyone who really wants in can get in and over time everyone will become a member anyway. This isn't to draw more people in; it's to filter out the bad apples (and there are a lot of them). It goes without saying, an invitation system would almost completely remove the problem of alt accounts, gimmick users, etc. For this reason alone it may be worth doing. Expect this to be a major topic of discussion in the near future. Monetizing a jokeTime moves on. Traffic increases. Long before advertisers come knocking at your door, salesmen do. I've had so many people try to sell me hosting I can't count the number of companies on fingers and toes. Out of all the sales pitches I've received, it's surprising that I haven't found a better deal than what I've had since the start. As of yet, not a single hosting company has been able to match the price Reflected was giving me. This has pretty much cleared up any doubt I had about Reflected offering me hosting at "cost", so if you wonder why I'm always telling you how great my hosting company is, it's because they really are. Pretty soon I had enough money to stop leasing a server from my hosting company and buy my own server for YTMND, boy was that exciting. I was actually making enough money from AdSense to buy my own server. So I bought the beefiest server I could find that fit in my price budget. Two months later we hit capacity; I had to buy another server. I split the site up into a web server and a database server. This held up for another few months but it was obvious I had to start planning for some serious expansion for the future. We had hit the point where YTMND could no longer use 100mbit and we had to move to gigabit. I came up with specifications for a content server that would scale to massive proportions. Spending $12,000 for a server was hard to justify, I've never spent that much money on anything in my entire life and I've owned cars, but I ignored the fact and purchased it anyway. This was the point when my bank's fraud department started calling me asking me about my purchases. Finally I had transferred the 800 precious megabytes that made up all of YTMND over to the new server and it was at that point I realized how much HTML I was transferring. Over a megabyte a second. Of HTML. Of text. One megabyte of text is a lot. Find a one megabyte text file and you will quickly realize that sending out 1.5MB/s of text is some serious shit. Since then I've purchased a lot of servers. I own enough hardware to host thousands of dinky websites. The original few hundred megabytes I transferred over to the content server is now 600 gigabytes. YTMND is basically the biggest sound clip repository on the internet outside of usenet. It quickly became obvious I needed to put up more ads if I wanted to continue running the site in the black. I read all sorts of documentation and studies describing the best placing and methods for advertising. I would be at work and having to go outside to take calls about advertising. My employer was understandably starting to get angry at me. It got to the point where I had to start taking unpaid time off work to deal with the backlog of things I needed to get done for YTMND. In a short amount of time the business aspects of YTMND were consuming so much of my time, it was almost a full-time job. Working for the man (now dog)It was at this time (almost a year ago at the time of my writing this) that I left my salary job to start working on YTMND "full-time". Little did I know how this would ruin my relationships with everyone I knew as I began working on YTMND more and more each day. 8 hour days turned into 12 hour days turned into 16 hour days turned into 20 hour days etc. Working on YTMND was consuming my entire life. I still work that way. I spend a lot of time on features that never see the day of light, but will hopefully soon. (Hey what's that lists tab on the user profile?!??) So YTMND starts paying for my rent and my groceries, thereby removing any margin of profit from the equation. I would have to make some sacrifices (I've only bought one bottle of Grey Goose in the last 4 months!), but I was able to manage it. I was taking a big risk, because advertising earnings are pretty random from month to month for no apparent reason. One of the reasons I've managed to maintain my motivation to keep working on the site is that as it grows, the technical challenge grows exponentially. Rolling out new features on such a limited amount of hardware that virtually millions of people will use gets harder and harder as the number of sites and users and votes increases. It gets to the point where you can't rely on the standard set of tools to get things done anymore. Luckily this is well documented by Slashdot and Livejournal, both of whom saw a huge amount of growth with the internet boom. At some point I'd like to write a document that describes the growth of YTMND from a more technical standpoint but I'll spare you for now. At any rate, the experience and knowledge I get from working on YTMND is better than that of any job I've ever had, which makes up for the horrible salary. It's pretty hard to visualize YTMND as a business, especially seeing that it's the first "business" I've run. Pulling a large profit was never really a concern until recently and even now, it's less a priority than most of you would think. I've grown pretty accustomed to the standard of living of someone who works at McDonald's would. There came a time when I needed to make a serious decision about my plans for the future. Either I had to get serious about making YTMND into a business or I give up and close down the site. There wasn't really a middle ground here. I figured implementing site sponsorship would take some of the load off the hosting costs of the site. In the 18 months since the sponsorship system launched, YTMND has received almost $30,000 in donations. That's a pretty amazing figure considering the average age of the user base. Sadly this is only enough after fees to pay for a few months of hosting at most. Paid MembershipPeople say "Why not get rid of the ads and do paid memebership?! It worked for SomethingAwful!" However, the logic behind this question is flawed. The main problem with comparing Something Awful to YTMND in terms of monetization is that they are two completely different models commercially. SA's cost comes from the hardware and bandwidth costs of a forum that is used almost solely by its members. When a passerby comes to SA, it isn't a huge cost in terms of the necessary hardware and bandwidth used to fulfill the request. The only time the two sites have a similar cost is probably when SA gets linked to on Digg or the like, where they have tons of unregistered users looking at their pages. YTMND's main cost is from bandwidth. YTMND was made with the idea that people would link to YTMNDs from off site, look at the page and then leave. Obviously this is a horrible "business model." YTMND doesn't need to profit off its members, but it needs to profit off the people who view it in passing, as that is where all its cost comes from. Assuming registered users don't use AdBlock (that's an entirely separate issue), browsing the pages on www and viewing the ads pretty much pays for itself. The cost comes from the people who never visit www, and only visit a YTMND en masse. Imposing paid membership would be taxing the wrong group of users. Let's say out of the nearly 200,000 registered users, 5,000 are willing to pay a one time fee of $15 or so. That's pretty generous, considering that only 1,000 users have donated for site sponsorship. That's a quick and easy $75,000, and assuming out of the current growth of 200 users a day 5 sign up as paid members (which is pretty unlikely), that's an extra $2,300 a month. While this would be great for covering the hosting costs for the first 9 months or so (assuming I continued running a few ads to pay for my rent), after a year we'd be SOL. It isn't a sustainable amount of income to come close to paying for costs, and it puts the burden on the users who are actually already making the site money. Paid membership also means people feel entitled to a level of service which I can't ensure at this point in time. Being the only real employee means that I have to do everything on the site: coding, system administration, support, legal issues, dealing with advertising, etc. Having a few thousand people that don't feel like they are getting their money's worth is one more thing I don't want to deal with. Plus it's nice to be able to tell people to F off when they feel resentment over a service I'm providing free of charge. Goals for the futureThe amount of money I owe my hosting company shows that the way YTMND is running now is less than ideal. Ideally I would like to be able to pay them off in full, and maybe even make a salary similar to what I would make if I were employed by a real company. I can say that I'd like to one day see YTMND having an office and a few full-time employees, but it's obviously far off at this point. It's not humanly possible for me as one person can put into YTMND to get all of the things I want to accomplish done in a timely manner. It just isn't plausible especially when you look at the very partial to-do list I update from time to time. The only way to allow for continued growth and enhancement of YTMND is to bring on more people. The only way to bring on more people is to bring in more money. You get the idea. Outside of that, YTMND needs to maintain a level of income where we can continue to provide a free service to the entire internet as well as have some liquid cash to do things like pay for the big upfront cost of printing t-shirts, buy new hardware and pay consultants to help out with things. YTMND is not currently achieving this, and therefore, I am forced to spend an unavoidable amount of time dealing with advertising. I in no way want to be involved with so much advertising work, but it's a necessary evil at this point. Due to my complete lack of advertising know-how has resulted into the slow growth of ads all over the site. Until recently our advertising strategy was completely quantity as opposed to quality. By putting more ads on a page, YTMND nets more income, it's as simple as that. Now that more of our ad space is being represented by Federated Media, the tide is turning and it means I can start focusing less on finding new places to put ads and start focusing on places where I can remove them. In the long run, the future of the site depends on you, the users. I personally don't run Adblock; this entire ordeal has taught me that free sites depend on advertising revenue to operate. It's easy to think that by running ad block you aren't really hurting anyone, just keeping the rich from getting richer. I wish that were true, but in a lot of cases it isn't. YTMND isn't a million dollar corporation. I'm not getting rich. When 10% or more of a site's regular users are running software to ensure that the site has no way of turning a profit off their usage, those users are potentially hurting the site significantly. I would rather close the site than try to force the rest of the legitimate users who are viewing ads to support the site with even more ads. If you continue to expect to get a free service, while having us take a monetary hit and pay for your usage out of pocket, you are going to kill the site. You have as much power to kill YTMND as you do to make it bloom into something really great. I'm not going to go into a big spiel about pirating music and movies and try to compare that to stealing or tell you that viewing YTMND without ads is akin to stealing. I just want to make it clear that using adblock is not inconsequential, and if you care at all about YTMND's future I'd advise against it. That being said I don't expect many (or really any) of you to change your ways. It isn't something a one time donation is going to solve, and it's yet another issue I have to deal with instead of working on new features. I want to make it clear to you that I could easily be profiting off YTMND at this point and I choose not to, because I value the site. YTMND profits don't go to YTMND "shareholders", or the YTMND CEO's monthly bonus, they go back into YTMND. If I ran pop-unders (even after the majority of them have been blocked by blockers) YTMND would gross an extra $100,000 a year. Chew on that for a little bit the next time you want to compare me to a certain someone who is getting rich off other people's content. I understand motivation to ad block. Every time one of my pages loads slowly due to waiting for ad servers I die a little. I'm working on getting ads into separate iframes so they don't stop a page from loading. But in the meantime, it bugs me just as much as it bugs you. Obviously five-figure ad deals don't come along often for us, but I'm hoping that will change. The reality is that we aren't a YouTube, MySpace or Facebook. I don't have investment capital to go buy a new server or hire someone to share the workload. In fact, if I were with another hosting company that required I pay the bill in full every month, YTMND would have closed down years ago. To boil it down, in order for YTMND to survive the sub-domains are going to have to take a hit and have some real advertising on them. This will most likely end up in the form of ads being built into the preloader, meaning people won't be able to adblock them. Meaning that a YTMND will have a minimum loading time of 8 to 10 seconds. I have yet to hash out the actual implementation of this, but I'm hoping to make it as unobtrusive as possible. Do I think I deserve to personally make money from YTMND? Yeah, it's consumed the last three years of my life. I could be making more money working a full-time job than I currently am from YTMND. Whoever said hard work pays off was full of shit. So, you can see why the last year has been a bit depressing. You can also see how disappointing it is when users declare it's time for a civil war because the site is bowing to the basic rules of capitalism. Look back over the history of YTMND. I have never screwed the users over. I have tried to keep shady ads off the site, when I see ads with sound or flashing junk I try to remove them as soon as possible. I don't sell your user info. I don't require much of anything from you. I'm going to do what needs to be done in order to keep the site viable and fun to work on. If I can't get enough cooperation, there will no longer be any reason to keep YTMND going. People who want to continue to act out in a childish manner every time YTMND lands an advertising deal are welcome to leave and start/host their own website to see how well it works out. If you are so sure the earth is flat, prove it. Also, cocks. |
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| I've disabled comments on this post for the time being because it's unlikely the majority of you have much to say besides "lol, 3rd". If you want to discuss this further, use the forums. ALSO HAPPY BIRTHDAY SYNCAN! |
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| also comments enabled. |
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| thanks dave |
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| glad the comments are back |
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| Not sure why you enabled comments finally, but it'll save me the PM you prolly wouldn't read to say "Hang In There, Kiddo!" (if I could do that fancy asci text drawing sh*t, I'd have drawed you a kitty hangin' in there). You have thousands of friends, most of whom are dumb as stumps, but we do keep coming over to your house for juice and cake. And sometimes we remember to wipe our feet. |
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| hi..... and sorry | ||||||
| COOKIE 4 U ^_^ |
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| keep up the good work max. dont close down ytmnd and become a recluse for a year, only to return with a bunch of cheap immigrant oompa-lumpas that can make ytmnds better than us, and then have a competition to find your successor with golden tickets inside ytmnds. |
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| This may be an unpopular opinion, but if YTMND is costing so much that it can't be sustainable, then maybe it is time to pull the plug.
For every site there is that unexpectedly makes it big, there are an innumerable amount of site owners that would kill to receive even 1% of the traffic you receive. If YTMND became successful for its own good, then so be it. While I will miss YTMND, there are other things to do on the Internet. | ||||||
| comments are like balls. you dont want them rubbed in your face |
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| ^ Speak for yourself |
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| Thanks for creating YTMN;D |
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| never forget 2007-04-30 22:54:49 |
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| Ultimately, there isn't a lot Max can do about the state of ytmnd on his own. Users are still submitting crap which other users are voting on. The reason most people are saying that the site is sh*t is because they aren't impressed with simple sites, like the ones created around 2003-2005. This is understandable as the style of ytmnds being created has evolved to this point where instead of just being a small image + audio loop, people are creating elaborate sites with audio sync and 3mb gifs. |
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| The only way ytmnd can be made good is if the content being submitted is good. I don't really know what will happen in the future, people will always submit stupid in-jokes about 'Josh is a f*g' or whatever so perhaps ytmnd has just burned out. I don't see what new features Max could implement around the image+sound+text format. Thats not to say there aren't any good sites being made, there's still a few users with a lot of creativity experimenting with new ideas... | ||||||
| ...not just pasting Cosby's head onto yesterdays top viewed gif to get 8000 views. | ||||||
| 2007-04-30 23:14:13 1st
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OMG 666 O.O | ||||||
| post nudes | ||||||
| Any particular reason why theres no news number 68? | ||||||
| lol, 3rd | ||||||
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| where'd 4th go? weird... |
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| Who cares about who commented when? |
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| its just some sort of EPEEN you cant explain |
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| Good point. | ||||||
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| Maybe the least voted on could have some more variation, maybe 0-10 votes? (Although I assume eventually it will stop being all 0 votes, but I don't know) |
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| get outta here |
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| I just want it know that I love Least Voted On Ever...almost as much as the Random Generator...anything to keep me searching endlessly, tirelessly for the odd little funny that could. |
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| What made you think waiting a while would stop such comments appearing? Oh well. New news post please, I want to hear how the upcoming features are coming along, as well as any other important stuff... |
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| i think the fact that he waited to enable the comments made the people actually read the issue at hand before they commented with pointless crap... you know the users.
well that is what i think the reason i would have done it would have been. | ||||||
| I support the invite system. YTMND became the trash can of the internet, mainly due to the 12-year-old f*ggots that infected this site. |
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| and bans to the gay downvoters |
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| Why is it that only 12 year olds can be bad users? |
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| Because he's 13 and doesn't want to make fun of his age group |
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| well cool comments back |
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| yeah, you're the best Max. Keep the site going and thx for the hardwork to keep the comunoty going! |
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| YTMND Solidarity. | ||||||
| dr. ama I presume? |
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| Max seems to need a hell of a lot of help... why doesn't he put people in a contest of sorts to see who can make the best of whatever ytmnd needs... |
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| I used to be a huge fan of this site till all the idiotic 12 year olds came in. Plus the fact that the community seems to think it's funnier to recycle old jokes than to actually create new ones. Not that I am exactly inocent of putting up some garbage YTMND now and then but it is something that needs to be stopped. I think YTMND should be invite only. Or at least be able to prove you have a basic understanding of comedy before you make a freaken site. 90% of ytmnds just aren't funny anymore |
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| Max, you are a god among men. | ||||||
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| fgt | ||||||
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| My advice, no disrespect: spin YTMND off into a nonprofit charity not unlike the Wikimedia foundation. Get a board of directors, start running pledge drives, make it so I can write off donations to YTMND on my taxes, and open the source code. People will come. Running YTMND for as long as you have is about as good of a resume-padder as you can get. YTMND has lost vitality, but it's not too late. Place YTMND into the public trust, ensure its legacy, and get some sleep. |
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| Do you honestly think a nonprofit charity organization would support a site with kittens being crushed by high heels and gay men have open sex? It sounds nice, but remember that this is YTMND and the freedom of speech here isn't quite something charities like to be associated with... |
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| SO LONG DENNAL PLAN...........I mean Freedom Of Speech |
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| dhaos, you're mistaken. A nonprofit provides a service and doesn't profit from providing the service. Wikimedia Foundation, again, is a strong supporter of free speech. The gov doesn't care, so long as you're providing a service and your board doesn't make any money through the actions of your org. YTMND is a new kind of art form, and evidence exists in the public record to support this. It could be done. | ||||||
| Jack Bauer was here. |
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| Keep up the fight, man. We're behind you. P.S. rofl, 27th | ||||||
| It was a vary interesting read. Funny how sometimes side project end up being more to our destiny then a hobby. Though I would point out the vison of a thing shouldent have to proclude its form. Free speech is a human beings natural right wiether he is killed or not for doing it is just the way the world turns. Though comparing the site as a form of freedom of exspression I would say it falls sincerely short yet the idea of great exspression is thru restriction. Great Adspace is rare though... Sell it |
+2 | |||||
| Eigo dekiru kai? |
-3 | |||||
| Is it just me, or is YTMND not even close to as good as it was last year? |
+3 | |||||
| Could be just that I've been going here too much and it's getting boring for me. |
+3 | |||||
| Well maybe you could make a new site... Yeah I know it's a stretch. |
+2 | |||||
| Activity is way down...this time last year a site in the Top Viewed box could get 20k or 30k+ views easily for that day. |
+2 | |||||
| before, top viewed dominated the main page. You couldn't browse YTMND without even accidentally clicking on a link in the Top 15. Now the Top Viewed is scrunched up down in the corner, making it seem unimportant and causing less than half of the views sites used to receive. |
+2 | |||||
| True. Also, look at the turnover in Recently Created. Much slower these days. Also, before when I opened up Spy the votes scrolled so fast it was hard to read sometimes. Not so much now. |
+2 | |||||
| "Could be just that I've been going here too much and it's getting boring for me." I travel a lot so I usually can't come her for a few days a week. It is good to get away. I missed the whole outrageous fad. |
+2 | |||||
| Have faith, people. | ||||||
| Whose machines? |
+2 | |||||
| Max's machines | ||||||
| Rage Against Max's Machines. | ||||||
| All my friends say YTMND is garbage. :( | ||||||
| well then bitch slap the fools and show them how the're wrong. (im not legally liable for any damages sustained when they retaliate.) |
+2 | |||||
| They're right. YTMND sucks ass |
-2 | |||||
| It's an acquired taste, like alcohol. I usually ignore the front page these days and just check out user favorites, old sites from 2004-2005, and random sites. |
+1 | |||||
| I enjoy to visit this site to see what artwork people here have created!I hope this site last a looong time. |
+3 | |||||
| Very interesting read. Much appreciated. |
+1 | |||||
| You have a Ferrari? | ||||||
| Also I've just disabled AdBlock on all of YTMND. I didn't realise it was that bad. Sorry max :( |
+1 | |||||
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| Disabled Adblock for ytmnd.com too after reading this. Even started to click some ads. | ||||||
| Clicking ads doesn't help. Buying the products in them does, though. | ||||||
| in the short term it does; in the long term it doesn't | ||||||
| Can i please redesign the front page? | ||||||
| nutnics busts out his after effects skills and makes a layout that doesn't even need to be animated (and shouldn't, that would be annoying) |
+2 | |||||
| I THOUGHT YOU JEWS WERE GOOD AT FINANCE |
-2 | |||||
| Until they lose their Jew Gold duh | ||||||
| 1) Put Most Voted and Top Rated back on the default front page, for more incentive to create. 2) Get that mod system finished - help us help you. |
+4 | |||||
| seconded |
+1 | |||||
| Really, without these two factors influencing the front page, we've noticed the junk more, making some users question the state of YTMND. It's not worse, it just looks worse. As a result, less quality sites will come in, with users seeing little oppurtunity for their creations to succeed on the current structure of the front page. |
+1 | |||||
| I disagree C-S. When the front page has more sheer crap (not high rated crap due to vote inflation but just random crap) I think the better users stand out. dascoot, juxtapose, egonym and others have had nicely weird sites ride the FP this week. It's a welcomed change from all the Peter Parker straight rips, etc. |
+1 | |||||
| I couldn't agree more. I'm studying for the MCAT and I find myself having less time to visit, and I feel as if I'm just....waiting for ytmnd to do something. I think we'll all help you out SO much when the mod system comes in, and layout changes to get the best sites appreciated by the most viewers without having pure sh*t stay on the front page for WEEKS are needed. We know you're working on the mod system, and our comments wont make it happen faster. Just letting you know that I think that once it get | ||||||
| s here, things are going to change alot, and for the better! Bring on the vote algorithms, bring on the creatively coded content boxes! I'm really excited for the future of YTMND. | ||||||
| Interesting gimmick account: http://ytmnd.com/users/undecided/ |
+1 | |||||
| also electriceye. | ||||||
| This comment obeys the laws and regulations enforced by YTMND. I endorse it. | ||||||
| Aye, YTMND has really gone down the crapper in terms of new sites... I support an invite system, even if it would prevent ME from making sites. | ||||||
| Preview images for YTMNDs currently unavailable. | ||||||
| Also Least Voted bugs. | ||||||
| It all makes sense. OH MY GOD WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!??????????????!!!!!!!!! | ||||||
| Enough talk start doing it | ||||||
| also never used adblock in the first place | ||||||
| I think the yfly corner image just gave some new inspiration to the community for ripping on something. (that's what it's abot eh?)
If everything would be perfect, there would be nothing left to rip on. :) | ||||||
| Potatoes |
-1 | |||||
| lol, 3rd |
-2 | |||||
| I have some simple suggestions for filtering out crap:
1. any site that has less than 100 views in a week get deleted automaticly.If some of the user's friends didn't see it in the first week, they're gonna have to repost it.
2. Any site with a ranking of less than 1.5 stars gets deleted after a month. If some of the user's friends didn't see it in the first month, they're gonna have to repost it.
3. Anyone with no sites created after a month will have the account deleted. This will help keep alts down. | ||||||
| 4. Any site with no views or votes after 24 hrs will be deleted. just some humble suggestions. BTW I don't mind the ads. Do what you need to. | ||||||
| I finally realized the reason I can't vote on sites marked NSFW is because of ZoneAlarm. It's privacy settings is blocking that ability and I don't know how to change it. It used to automatically log me out when I clicked on a NSFW site, but I fixed it. | ||||||
| Wow. That made me feel really badly for not coming here in a long time. :(
Sorry Max. I still love you. | ||||||
| post nudes |
-1 | |||||
| i was born in 77 today is my birthday too (i'm a 30 year old paedo) so hopefully max will deliver nudes this time... | ||||||
| I found two of Coolgamer's alts. I'm sure he has more because no one in their right mind would give anyone of his sites more than a three. http://www.ytmnd.com/users/vega42
http://www.ytmnd.com/users/nightninjamaster | ||||||
| I apologized to CoolGamer, but these are his siblings, not his alts. | ||||||
| Anyone who appreciates psychoanalyzing the users here will have a field day with this guy: http://ytmnd.com/users/Spooky1/comments These are the only comments he ever made with this acc't. Note, too, the only comment NOT about Jesus. | ||||||
| Hahahaha. Bible quotes to look intellectual and devout. Sure signs of a fundementalist Christian. Possibly one just to spite the current atheism trend among his age group. Oh well, the quotes were somewhat relevant. But the fact he's on YTMND in the first place, let alone referring to these quotes on sites says a lot. | ||||||
| I | ||||||
| THE FLOOD GATES HAVE BEEN OPENED! | ||||||
| Can we ban the furries? Please? Let's ban the fur f*gs max! | ||||||
| without spotz there would be no NEDM | ||||||
| Is that guy still around? | ||||||
| Last I heard he was yiffing in hell |
+2 | |||||
| Enforce the rules of Edit Or GTFO. YTMND can not become just another generic media site ( aka internet thieve) Post a 4chan image. BAN, Post a forum post BAN, Post a picture of your friends BAN |
+1 | |||||
| I hope this really makes people realize the effort into running this site. I've been lurking here for a long time (I think either Picard or the damned tra-la-la was the first one I ever saw ) and I've watched this site evolve. The amount of time and effort you put into this is amazing -- don't let the whiny kids who don't understand how the real world works hinder you. Keeping YTMND free is not only great, but the ads really aren't anywhere as bad as people have been making it out to be. Thanks! :) | ||||||
| Rick Roll | ||||||
| i have to reply this | ||||||
| Duck Roll | ||||||
| It just occured to me to inquire if "wise up" is a reference to NYHC band Bold. If so, that's funny. | ||||||
| davec*ckrum.ytmnd.com - WE BROKE THE COMMENTS | ||||||
| Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 16777216 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 89 bytes) in /www/htdocs/ytmnd.com/includes/mysqli.result.php on line 69 | ||||||
| hey its fixed :) | ||||||
| lol, un-negation | ||||||
| LOL YTMND WAS DOWN IM SO OBSERVENT LOLS! CAN I GET MOD PLZ?>!! |
+1 | |||||
| it's refreshing to get an informative post, not only on current things, but past things to bring it all full circle. | ||||||
| ypu forgot poland | ||||||
| Sell T-shirts already. Start a free CafePress store, then elevate to a proper one when you make enough profit. Also, offer us something for donating. Currently donations benefit OTHER people. Give us an icon next our names, or something. | ||||||
| ooo comments | ||||||
| Surely you cant filter out what is funny and what isn't because humor is fairly subjective. Just because one person doesn't find something funny, doesn't mean it isn't funny to anyone. Like you said already in the piece, invite systems don't work anyway.
I think you do some great work and I appreciate that it is very time consuming, but if you run such a high traffic website and cant makemoney from that, maybe it's time to sell the site to someone who can | ||||||
| Oh great, now the Scientologists are f*cking things up over on my side of the pond. | ||||||
| Heh Slayer. Get the Chelsea Headhunters to f*cking weed them out. Or the Bushwackers. Too bad the Subway Army isin't around anymore. :( | ||||||
| Hahahaha. You really are a White Supremacist aren't you... | ||||||
| Not really. I just want the craziest mother f*ckers to wipe out the other crazy f*ckers. | ||||||
| Interesting read! My tip for advertising is to have an ad pop over each subdomain, so that the whole screen is covered by the ad for, let's say 5 seconds, and then disappear while the real site is loading in the background (just have the popup ad disappear with javascript, not a full new page). Those 5-10 seconds would otherwise be spent waiting for the actual YTMND to load in most cases and it would definitely generate a whole lot of very clear ads without bothering people too much.
GL HF with YTMND. | ||||||
| my tips is that you STFU | ||||||
| oh and to minimise HTML transfer you could add some ajax stuff to the site... like JSON loading for most of the www.-part, it sure could cut away a lot of it. stuff like having the main page update the items every 3 minutes would significantly decrease the number of page reloads. | ||||||
| Music you should listen to while reading : 1st: De-Phazz - The Mambo Craze | ||||||
| I just want to say thanks for all the sacrifices you've made, whatever happens happens. Long live YTMND.com |
-1 | |||||
| Maybe if you quit using the money as a source of income.... |
-1 | |||||
| just go back to having a real job and put the brakes on this. and start deleting sites to make stuff easier and cheaper. the more you obsess over lighthearted satire sites like this, the less fun it'll be to run. | ||||||
| Max I appreciate your work
Keep on truckin' | ||||||
| new article, please | ||||||
| Also, skcocs. |
-1 | |||||
| holding in a poo right now |
+2 | |||||
| also, wise up ;D |
-1 | |||||
| Pancakes. ;D |
-1 | |||||
| Drop a cluster bomb. | ||||||
| i know out of the many people saying this you probably will over look my comment but keep up the work bro. sorry i didn't sponsor any sites i myself am not the richest of folks either. but i am all for the ads if it keeps this thing running. good or sad to say but this site is your child and i know you care about it. parasites and all. even if it is covered in fleas you still love it and sometimes you must use the radio station free-bees to keep it clothed. hope all works out. and yes you deserve more |
+1 | |||||
| Well put, Dr-L337's less successful little brother.
As someone who has donated in the past, even in light of that, I still welcome the ads. If they're needed, then they're needed, and people just have to suck it up and accept it. I think that the great amount of entertainment, laughter, information, and everything else this website has provided over the years is more than worth any mild discomfort an advertisement may cause.
Thank you, Max. | ||||||
| Well, judging by the first couple of comments, and a few of the ones I can't see. There aren't any numbers anymore. I geuss taking away a child's play toy really does get them to settle down | ||||||
| Hell, screw $15 one time fee, make a $2 a month if people want no ads, and $12 a year (half price) for a yearly subscription. Some of us live on YTMND and want to get rid of the trash (I'm one of the over 18 girls here that wouldn't mind weeding out some of the porn and "goatse" pics). I dn't think that's too much money for people to whine about. It's an optional thing anyways. Don't want adds? Pay $2 a month or $12 a year, end. I'm willing to. I'm a student and I can afford that! ;) | ||||||
| Even though I would pay that, max did say that would be taxing the wrong people. It's outside links that drain ytmnd's bandwidth | ||||||
| Also Max, enforce that *ssh*les like RazorGator, as funny as they are, pay for advertising. That's no fair that they are making money while putting you in debt. F*cking leaches (even if I do want a Razor Gator!) |
-2 | |||||
| hasnt RazorGator allways sponsored their own submited sites, which raises cash for ytmnd. but they should do it through the proper channels. what we need is a few more products and small companies willing to advertise here. But crucially not make ytmnd become the bitch of the advertising industry. This is a fine balance but one that max seems capable of doing, well apart from the getting advertisers bit. | ||||||
| Max, as a fellow webmaster, I have to give you absolute respect. Do what you have to do, and don't get dissalusioned by what the complaints. Cheers, and good luck with making this place something that can afford you a decent standard of living. | ||||||
| I went to Albany for a few days. They have a bottled water named Poland Spring | ||||||
| That's good stuff. Only bottled water I've ever liked a lot. | ||||||
| fyhk |
-1 | |||||
| Fukken agreed. | ||||||
| Max, just pull the plug. Host the more entertaining YTMNDs here, and destroy everything else. Get yourself some Grey Goose, and try to get another job. YTMND is drowning in its own stupidity. |
-3 | |||||
| WTF, blueness? |
-1 | |||||
| WTF, ytmnd links to ebaums? |
+3 | |||||
| thanks for everything its appreciated and good | ||||||
| i want a n*gg* hidding in a bowl of rice.... | ||||||
| At fisrt I hated "Least voted on ever" but then I realised its purpose.
In order to have a good database purge, and all sites with less than a certain average should be deleted. Least votted on ever allows people to rate the sites that were missed earlier. Thus allowing for a more streamlined and accurate approach. | ||||||
| Kind of a second chance for some YTMNDs, huh? | ||||||
| Yeah. |
+1 | |||||
| This man deserves hugs. | ||||||
| Very nicely written max, I come back to YTMND from not visiting the sites for 2 months, and see this greatly written post.
Thanks for everything youve done for YTMND in the past, present and future. | ||||||
| +5 for the "DID I MENTION EVERYTHING YOU MAKE IS GARBAGE? I GUESS THAT WASN'T CLEAR SO HERE IT IS IN A METHOD YOU MIGHT UNDERSTAND." |
+1 | |||||
| Clear as dirt | ||||||
| would you like some cheese with your whine lolol | ||||||
| When max is pushed, killing ytmnd is as easy as breathing. | ||||||
| ahhh... they're slowing being taking over by LARGE LETTERS | ||||||
| If you want it to end max..do it. Sucks if you do =/ | ||||||
| Why is it blue? | ||||||
| Its the way of distinguishing recent posts, (read some of the past news things, its in one of them...). | ||||||
| dont do it..DONT DO ITTTT | ||||||
| Its the end of YTMND as we know it. | ||||||
| front page is best front page since zimmerc*ck. leave it like this plz |
+2 | |||||
| I know none of this anger is directed at ME, my sites rule :) | ||||||
| Max, a simple message. VIEW YOUR OWN DAMN SITE. If you are supposedly spending all day every day coding. That time could be innumerably better spent deleting, even if one at a time, the horrible sh*t on newly created. There are many honest people who spend often amounts of time viewing Ytmnd. I'd like to think that I am one of them. If you can't spend the time to screen for content, write a parameter that will delete every site under 2 stars in the database. |
+3 | |||||
| Also, if you give up and pull the plug on Ytmnd. I will find out where you live and rape your entire family. I'll do it. |
-2 | |||||
| I think the problem is that content that is highly rated is not necessarily good- ie half of all the sh*t on U&C |
+2 | |||||
| Well, a huge flaw I can think of in that department would be users that makes good sites, but who just happen to be huge *ssh*les and get downvoted a lot by emos who ran out of razor blades with nothing better to do. lol, e-venge. | ||||||
| Been thinking a lot about this...I think it's time to make the content here totally non-vote weighted. Like, FP becomes either an ever changing, randomly generated space or is "curated" alternately by users in good standing (like mod favs, but with more variation). Then, no more votes (comments yes, but no ratings). Who cares about ratings? | ||||||
| Like, imagine a FP where there are "featured" sites, but they come from user lists, not votes. You keep Recently Created (make it like 10 slots long or so) and keep the digest with a 7-page RC, a HoF, Mod Favs, but dismantle all vote-dependent listing. Smart users already know how to search out good content without depending upon the FP. And you can PM people when you make a site you want them to see. | ||||||
| This way you undermine the pointless downvoters like AntwanDavis (could still make comments, but no voting), the urge to have dv alts, the competition voting for U&C, and all the petty bullsh*t that comes with it. If someone abuses the PMing idea, block them (or ban them). And the "user lists" could come from users you think represent what ytmnd is all about. They f*ck it up, you don't post from their lists. | ||||||
| Or you could just sell the place to Columbia Pictures as a "viral marketing" experiment and use the money for crack. | ||||||
| I'm scared, Max. Hold me. | ||||||
| I'm gonna go whack to gay furry porn till this all blows over. Cheers and good tidings, Take it easy now. |
-4 | |||||
| I'm with Aeroplano on this one. Never back down, never surrender. | ||||||
| i leave for a couple of days and you guys ruin the place, make better ytmnd's | ||||||
| were all a little drunk tonight | ||||||
| Also, if you make the newly created bigger, it will give good sites more of a chance. | ||||||
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| max is PISSED |
-1 | |||||
| I'm loving the front page. | ||||||
| ok so he's not just talking smack about my YTMND's?
| ||||||
| I'd still use YTMND if it had popunders and all that jazz. | ||||||
| I agree. Do the pop-unders, Max! Make some money for all your effort. All these whiners will complain, but maybe it'll get the worthless comment-flamers and crap-ytmnd-makers to quit, and solve all our problems. | ||||||
| Top 15 is godly, as of tonight anyway. |
+1 | |||||
| diump ;_; | ||||||
| gaa! >_< a typo, i meant dump not diump | ||||||
| Hey Max, If I had a Million, I'd slip ya some to cover your fees. If I ever get a few Million, I'll make a Massive donation. When I can afford to, I'll put in what I can. :)
Also 5'd ;P | ||||||
| The only way ytmnd can be made good is if the content being submitted is good. I don't really know what will happen in the future, people will always submit stupid in-jokes about 'Josh is a f*g' or whatever so perhaps ytmnd has just burned out. I don't see what new features Max could implement around the image+sound+text format. Thats not to say there aren't any good sites being made, there's still a few users with a lot of creativity experimenting with new ideas... | ||||||
| What you wrote about simple, tactless, and unoriginal humor is right on the money. Sadly, online moderating has become a mixed job of babysitting and trash collecting. Every community has people who like to crap in the nest. While people who are online enough to be nitpicky might complain, outsiders like me only see that you're doing a good job.
Alternate accounts and gimmick accounts are a huge pain, and I hope you get that stuff sorted out somehow. Sometimes you gotta do what's necessary... | ||||||
| I agree totally. People run rampant online because they know that they can't truly be held accountable for anything (nobody will ever see their face, etc...). All anyone ever has is their account information, usually falsefied info at that. Thay feel free to crap in the nest, and they do, and its almost always hard on the nest owner/operator. You have my full support max, whatever you choose to do. | ||||||
| hey max *** SRS COMMENT ALERT*** how about having a "special" ytmnd section with a few hundred great sites (you & the mods hand pick them) & plonk adverts on them i mean you'd have control of what goes on there & advertisers could be assured of the content (disable editing them once they're there) maybe do a NSFW version (for meatspin etc) & have porn advertisers there & all the other other crap on the WS site just leave this place as a "brainstorming" site (also disable hotlinking for f*ck sake) |
+1 | |||||
| few hundred? ytmnd is lucky to have a handful of great sites | ||||||
| or whatever - i'm sure they could find enough to get advertising spaces (plus there are MANY good sites that fly under the radar because they don't have NEDM or some other sh*t fad attached & they could all be found eventually given a good team of fair mods) | ||||||
| "few hundred? ytmnd is lucky to have a handful of great sites"
your wrong ytmnd has thousands of great sites. Its just being able to find them is harder than diamond mining with toothpicks. The wiki, a better search, and a more interconnected navigation system should improve this. | ||||||
| thank you :-D i believe there's a LOT of good comedy here overshadowed by the constant flow of sh*t i mean i myself try to avoid fads but they get upvoted & they're often my worst YTMNDs i mean my "original" sites are often crap but 1 or 2 are okay & they get lower scores than some SHOE ON HEAD f*cking bullsh*t okay post nudes people oops i mean post original content itt for srs opinions GOGOGO :woowoo: | ||||||
| 1st post | ||||||
| YTMND seriously sparks artistic endeavor. it has everything... a limited amount of info and looping... confines that force people to become creative in a universe that is overflown with excess... it is good for people to diet and work once and a while. please keep this site going. it is the best thing I've found on the electric internet. |
+1 | |||||
| The Homestarrunner guys live off of merchandizing and merchandizing alone, why can't this site? | ||||||
| Most of what makes it funny is also copyrighted by other people. So unless we convince people to allow us to make goods, we can't do it. About the only thing that YTMND could market freely would be items with the YTMND logo on them, since max has rights to it. |
+1 | |||||
| Couldn't NEDM be considered ours? | ||||||
| Well there's still no problem with that, I think there's still globs of people who would rish to just get "YTMND" branded junk, and there's more they could do, like an "upvated" short or hat with five orange stars on it, or a "downvoted" one with one partial star. | ||||||
| You've got the right one baby, uh-huh! | ||||||
| WHY WONT YOU LET ME HOLD YOUR HAND IN PUBLIC ANYMORE? |
+1 | |||||
| Can you make it so that if a gif has already been posted, it cannot be used again? That would eliminate high rated crap like this gopherr.ytmnd.com. I know that one simple edit can fix that, but most people who steal from other sites are too stupid to realize they can do that. |
+6 | |||||
| It would require people to at least EDIT THE FILE a little. I say yes. | ||||||
| blocking dublicate content would probably eliminate 25% of the sites made daily. | ||||||
| Amen | ||||||
| I second this emotion. I think it's time to just make this place as uncomfortable for the tards as possible. | ||||||
| This is a fantastic idea | ||||||
| Max, I agree that ads may be a necessary evil. Do whatever you feel is necessary to ensure this sites survival. To reduce worthless sites, why not delete all those which have had very few (if any) views during a period of x months and/or all sites with a rating of less than 1.5 (they never get viewed anyway) | ||||||
| uh....hi? |
-2 | |||||
| hey it's Sylvester, back from a vacation. The site's still not better, so you should probably go on another one. |
+1 | |||||
| unless of course you're planning to make another site (I doubt you are, since most people who make good sites are being discouraged by the lack of most voted) | ||||||
| And Top Rated, for that matter. |
+1 | |||||
| ya i've gotten incredibly lazy so i'm not making any sites, atleast not any time soon. also i've discovered this thing called "outside" thats quite interesting so i may check that out a bit. | ||||||
| You'll be back in the winter. |
+2 | |||||
| You see, that's where being British comes in. Always sh*tty outside. |
+3 | |||||
| I'm in an igloo. On a raft. In space. That's why I'm always here. |
+1 | |||||
| tl;dr | ||||||
| No, just kidding, but I read most of it. | ||||||
| Also, cliff notes...
wait no. | ||||||
| Oh the misconception that disabling adblock will do f*ck all for a website. I've seen it a thousand times. Most advertisers pay based on clicks, so if you were never going to click them anyway, why not block em? Why, I think I will, Trebek! Also the ones that would pay for views have a habit of dropping sites that get way more views than clicks (and I mean an exceedingly unbalanced ratio; naturally views would be higher normally). Therefore keep adblock on if you won't click anyway, or disable and click ads | ||||||
| Obviously you have a much better idea of how advertisers pay for advertising on my site than I do, maybe I should just hand the whole thing over to you. |
+6 | |||||
| just rename this site www.lazytown.com and be done with it |
+1 | |||||
| Why don you do this: when a new user makes an account, if his first couple sites unanimously sucked or were in poor taste, kick his *ss out. No doubt itd be hard monitoring this, but all people who are willing to help max in doing this, comment under meh. That's my suggestion anyway. kthxbai | ||||||
| yourself included? |
+3 | |||||
| Everyone's early sites suck. The talented people gain skills as they progress. The untalented, well they still make screenshotmnds. |
+1 | |||||
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