latest news and massive todo list.

Hello folks,

I heard back from the drive recovery place and they are hard at work recovering the forums. I am looking into some new options for the forums when they officially come back.

I've spent the weekend working on my "YTMND TODO list". I am posting it for you all to see, read more if you are interested and feel free to comment on it.
Before you freak out, realize none of this stuff is set in stone and it's all up for discussion!

[  Legend  ]

*- Bug.
@- Possible feature or something I am bugged about constantly.
+- New Feature I want to add.


[  USER LEVELS  ] 
+- Implement and enforce user levels (somewhat in place).
  Level 0: Users who aren't signed in.
  Level 1: Users with an account that has not been confirmed.
  Level 2: Users with a confirmed account.
  Level 4: Paid users.
  Level 8: Moderators.
  Level 16: Administrators.
  Level 255: Max.


[  COMMENTS  ]

+- Update the maximum comment length from 256 characters to 512. 
@- Nested comments to allow people to reply to comments (requires layout changes)
@-- Maybe use do a mechanism like Livejournal's nested comments.
+- Ability to delete comments  on your sites. [ PAID ]
@- Comment paging for sites with a ton of comments, maybe AJAX.



[  SITE CREATION PROCESS  ]


Step 1. User goes to create site page.
Step 2. User chooses sound, image, text, all the vitals. (if edit, information is populated)
Step 3. User gets to preview site. If user accepts go to step 4 else step 3.
Step 4. User has to choose between a publicly rated site and a private personal site.
        Publicly rated sites:
          Is rated in (views list, score list, up and coming, etc.)
          Can be found in the search and keywords.
          Get auto deleted after 30 days if:
          It has less than (100 views or 10 votes) or the score is less than 2.5

        Private personal sites:
          Don't get rated in any lists.
          Can not be found in the keywords or search.
          Get auto deleted after 30 days no matter what.

        [ PAID users have no auto-deletion. ]

Step 5. Site is locked. User is not allowed to edit the site any further.
In order to edit the site, the user can use the replace function which will
delete the site and hold the domain for the user for 24 hours.

Effectively allowing them to edit the site with a full stat reset. This is done
to keep people from vandalizing sites once they are on the front page.

        [ PAID users are allowed to have unlimited edits without stat reset. ]


Step 6. Site goes into moderation queue. [  SEE MODERATION  ]
Step 7. Site either goes live or gets killed depending on moderation.
Killed sites stick around for 3 days and an email is sent to the creator letting them know.



[  FILE SYSTEM  ]

+- Link to sound and image file on profile page.  [ PAID ]
+- "56k" option to prevent users from opening huge sites.
*- Figure out the bug randomly causing sites to be batch edited.
*-- I've already tried editing a site and uploading a previously used sound file.
*-- and editing a site and using a new file.
*-- Things to look into: the asset management system, site creation/editing code.


[  USER PROFILES  ]

@- Real user profiles, same sort of information vBulletin has, with some other good info to create fun
@-- statistical information from.
+- Avatars [ PAID ] (would need to figure out where on the site they are shown).
@-- Possibly open up avatars for everyone but allow paid members to have slightly larger avatars.
@- Discuss the addition of user comments and user ratings.
@- Private messaging.


[  SESSIONS  ]
+- Standardize sessions, use a wrapper session class.
@- Decide which session engine to use, or if you should just create your own.
*- Figure out why PHP doesn't get the login cookie for some people.



[  KEYWORDS  ]

+- Put more keyword info in when users search.
+- Work more on keyword relevance, maybe use a separate Xapian.
+- Add more to keywords interface.
+- Allow users to report keyword abusers.



[  CONTENT BOXES / FRONT PAGE  ]

+- Allow customization of content boxes (which to see, what order, etc). [ PAID ]

+- Add new content boxes:
@-- Who's online.
@-- Top Rated Today
@-- Top Rated This Month
@-- Most Views Today (External)

@- Possibly make the entire front page AJAX and live-auto-update.



[  HELP SECTION/FAQ/MEDIA SIGHTINGS/REAL ABOUT PAGE  ]

+- A help section with common problems and solutions.
@- Allow people to ask and answer questions with moderation.
+- A CMS so I can stop editing everything with SQL.



[  SITE VIEWS  ]

+- Insert a row on each site view with: (IP, site_id, referring url).
+- CRON job uniqify's views and stores a small amount of referring url data.
+- Maybe make Referrers [ PAID ] feature.



[  REPORT THIS SITE FEATURE  ]

+- Build a better admin side.
+- Elaborate on information the user can provide, maybe pre-filled drop-downs.
+-- Marked as work safe when not work safe.



[  USER LOGINS  ]

+- Clean up and rewrite the code so it uses straight sessions.
+- Redo the c+- Moderation consists of a "best out of five" vote from five regular YTMND users.
+- Users would click the MODERATE link on the top of the page, and be given a random site to moderate.
+- Alternatively site creators could send the link to other registered users or post on the forums
     with a link to their site.
+-- When viewed by a non-logged in user, site would show "not moderated yet" message, logged in users would
     get moderation interface.
+- Possibly allow a content box on the front page for the moderation queue.


[  RSS FEEDS  ]

+- This is a PAID feature. Providing RSS feeds to the public would no doubt cause people to never
+-- visit www.ytmnd.com and only the sub-domains. This would cause a major loss of the revenue YTMND
+-- uses to pay for hosting.

+- RSS feeds for all the content boxes.
+- Search RSS feeds 
@- Allow saving of searches as RSS that are updated once every 60 or so minutes? [ PAID ]
@- Or maybe just make a watch-list on searches.



[  YTMND STORE  ]
+- Real shopping cart. multiple tables and most likely a separate db.
+- Site sponsorship done through store.



[  FORUMS  ]
SEE ALSO: USER SIGNUP, ADMIN.YTMND.COM

+- Decide on vBulletin of SMF
+- Decide on various forums and the rules in each.
+- Integrate the account creation and user signup so there are no longer two accounts.
+- Integrate banning/deletion features so when a user is deleted his forum threads and posts
   are deleted as well.
+- Give [ PAID ] users extra features on the forums as well.
+- Change the forum structure so that the "old-schoolers" have a sub forum of their own that
   they can moderate and be
+-- in charge of.



[  EMAIL  ]

+- Inject a unique message ID and then a qmail script to parse the information into a db.
+-- This way when all the idiots sign up and they require human white-list interaction it can tell them
+-- to fuck themselves when they send 1000 emails to support.


[  SUPPORT ISSUES  ]
@- Decide whether or not to buy kayako, would be really useful but requires apache and zend optimizer.


[  ADMIN.YTMND.COM  ]

+- Major clean up needed, move to new cvs.
+- More web stuff, less shell scripts.
+- Something other people can use besides me, like moderators and administrators.

[  CLEAN UP ERRORS AND WARNINGS  ]

*- All pages that just consist of die messages or warnings should go through an error class of some sort


[  SITE TEMPLATE  ]

+- Complete re-do of sound code. Needs to be a lot smarter and take into account user preferences.
+-- For instance, allowing the use of media player on firefox, which would solve a lot of sound woes.
*- Remove stretch code, it doesn't work in Firefox and looks awful in IE.


[  USER SIGNUP  ]

+- Rewrite completely.
+- Get more meta data (like age, contact options etc)
+- Make people agree to the TOS
*- Completely redo the captcha without sessions/cookies, it's causing too many problems.
+- Dupe checking, if duplicate email is used offer reset password/resend confirm mail.


[  LISTS  ]

+- Create a back end system to manage lists of sites.
+-- Users could create and publish lists of sites.
+-- Back end would allow support for "true" favorite sites.
@- Possibly the ability to have group lists, with managers.
@-- Maybe a global fads list and let people take over maintaining a fad list.

So what do you think?

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January 16th, 2006
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o rly ?
January 16th, 2006
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woo
January 16th, 2006
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muahah, first post
January 16th, 2006
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hmmm....sounds like you put alotta thought into this....everything sounds like a good idea
January 16th, 2006
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muahah, first post
January 16th, 2006
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woa, lagged on me, said something twice, weird. whats with the " paid " users stuff ?
January 16th, 2006
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will riding spinnas goin get deleted cause its score is less than 2.5???
January 16th, 2006
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Hay max here would be an excellent feature for the forums: Ban new registrations. I knew you'd love it.
January 16th, 2006
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that sounds like a lot of work. good luck!
January 16th, 2006
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lol, internet
January 16th, 2006
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Also, upon reading further, I like that old-schoolers forum idea.
January 16th, 2006
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Besides paying for some stuff we have now Im fine.
January 16th, 2006
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Know what? YTMND is one of the few websites I'd pay to be a member. I already bought the shirt, I figure I can sell enough drugs to pay you for this wonderful service. BTW, will you accept payment in drugs?
January 16th, 2006
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Nice. You definitely have your sh*t together.
January 16th, 2006
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The ability to preview and edit before a site goes live will be a tremendous improvement.
January 16th, 2006
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None of this sh*t matters.
January 16th, 2006
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id like being able to edit before site goes live, but i dont like that the site goes to moderation before going live
January 16th, 2006
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Preview would be AMAZING. I am going to pay for YTMND shortly. Even if not all of these features come to be.
January 16th, 2006
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I apolagize for being negative, however I do not intend to "Pay". I love this website, one of the reasons is because it's free. I don't want YTMND to sell out like everything else i've loved in the past. Seems the trend wont end. Also, I have a lot of YTMND's that are inner jokes with my friends. Obviously they've ranked really low, but my friends and I find them hilarious. It's too bad they'll delete because of downvoting...
January 16th, 2006
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What do you mean by "paid" account? Does this mean someone who has donated to the site? Or is that a separate thing? Also, if we (the users) have ideas for the site/products or complaints against other users/mods, how accessible and willing to help will the Mod/Admin staff be? Also, how much power will they have in general? What are the qualifications for the Mod/Admin staff? Aside from that I'm VERY glad you're addressing the Firefox issue. The other features you listed have definitely piqued my interest (especially PMs). BTW I don't expect a lengthy reply, mostly I'm just getting thoughts out.
January 16th, 2006
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You forgot "IggyBot-friendly page that returns raw text with all the necessary information." ☺
January 16th, 2006
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Also, do mods have the paid users privilages?
January 16th, 2006
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I would love to buy a YTMND shirt.
January 16th, 2006
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Intriguing - especially interested in the site edits and extended comments. ;)
January 16th, 2006
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Sounds like you got quite a list on your hands. Sounds good, as long as I get to be an administrator.
January 16th, 2006
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I like the favorite sites thing
January 16th, 2006
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January 16th, 2006
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#2. The ability to turn off the annoying corner logo that YTMNDs now have. I haven't regularly surfed YTMND since its inception. It also blocks saving YTMNDs as MHT files (intentional, perhaps?) which is awesome and also worth paying for.
January 16th, 2006
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Donationers with donations over whatever the membership price is set at will get paid accounts free of charge. Moderators will get accounts free of charge. I will probably give them away to users who make a lot of good stuff, and there will most likely be contests as well.
January 16th, 2006
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Paid accounts can be good or bad. No way in hell I'm going to pay a monthly or annual fee, but a one-time payment; a trivial sum to keep paid users honest, would be a good idea. As for queueing YTMND sites that await moderation before being released, that's an idea that won't really fly, in all fairness. It'd be like somethingawful queueing every single forum post before it goes public.
January 16th, 2006
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Do NOT make YTMNDs go through a moderation queue before going live. That will kill this site, like it killed bash.org =\
January 16th, 2006
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lol, ytmnd.com looks good max
January 16th, 2006
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Max, you've put a lot of effort in this post and some great ideas. 3 things I would like to see: 1. I need to login like every hour 2. Expand the Top Viewed list to about 20-25 3. Get rid of the new day's Top Viewed list that display with 1 view. I can't count how many awful ytmnds are in the top 15 at the end of the day simply because they had 1 view at the start.
January 16th, 2006
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Do it Doug!
January 16th, 2006
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Maybe even overhaul the "Top Viewed" with a weighted average of views/rating. This will help keep subpar ytmnds from getting hits.
January 16th, 2006
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tl;dr
January 16th, 2006
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All sounds well, esp. the user profiles stuff... although the anonymity here is kinda charming.
January 17th, 2006
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NO WAI!!!111!
January 17th, 2006
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Max, one more thing. What about a "favorite" button for mods?
January 17th, 2006
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moderation queue is not something I'd be a fan of. All this update kind of makes things weird. Also autodeletion I feel is lame, and a lot of small cult ytmnds will be gone, like http://mostawfulshortmovieytmndinexistence.ytmnd.com/
January 17th, 2006
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Nothing objectionable, but steps 6 & 7 in the site creation process HAVE TO GO. It makes you a content moderator, not a 'common carrier' (for lack of a better term), and you are responsible for the content. Users will be pissed off because you allowed an offensive site to go live, while the community will be pissed because you're blocking potentially funny, but offensive sites.
January 17th, 2006
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Furthermore, and more importantly, it is labor intensive. If you moderate every site, there will be a LONG wait for your site to go live, leading to user frustration. Bad Idea.
January 17th, 2006
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Sounds like a pretty good bunch of ideas. Though you could have the million times edit thing in the ToS... I dunno.
January 17th, 2006
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I'm interested in having a Paid account but how much would it cost?You should have it be a monthly,yearly or lifetime account.
January 17th, 2006
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Fair Play, Max!!! For those anxious about fees, allow me to point out the following... 1)YTMND will be a better product. 2)Max has already given us much for free. 3)I think Max deserves a few quid, just for getting caught up between EB--m and the YTMND Army. I believe I agree with the vast majority of users in saying, that as long as functionality remains at a good level for non-paying members, things will operate well. http://yushchenko-morgan.ytmnd.com/
January 17th, 2006
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sounds good. you've got your work cut out for you.
January 17th, 2006
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Damn dude ... that's a hefty laundry list of new year's plans for ya. Well, kudo's and count me in for more sponsorship.
January 17th, 2006
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Just to let you know, I'd be glad to maintain said fad list.
January 17th, 2006
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Make an option where you can edit comments! So if someone comments "You're a f*ckhead!" You can change it to "I love you!"
January 17th, 2006
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About moderation, I think you're onto something, but I do see problems arising. Often a site you worked hard on will get pushed off the "Last 5 Created" by poorly made sites and in-jokes to friends, and then your site is never heard from again. I like the "Up and Coming" list that relatively recently appeared, as this helps new YTMNDs in their early moments. Moderation of sorts might help ensure that only the good ones make it to the lists. On the other hand, what's to encourage people to moderate? Would sites just end up hanging in limbo for weeks? Perhaps a system rewarding users with points (similar to GameFAQs Karma) for doing it?
January 17th, 2006
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the [ YTMND STORE ]... what type of store? will proper merchandise be available to buy?
January 17th, 2006
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Anything with the word paying obviously hurts my heart. Dont mess with perfection.
January 17th, 2006
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So unpaid users are constantly either having their crummy sites deleted and not being able to edit their site, while paid users can do what they please. Seems like now you HAVE to pay for an account, and those with the paid accounts will most likely abuse them.
January 17th, 2006
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As far as avatars go, maybe give us about 25x25 infront of the name/date for when we make comments, that way it wont take up too much space. Instead of larger avatars for [PAID] members, maybe restrict non-paying members to choosing one of 25 or so premade avatars.
January 17th, 2006
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That not only adds a bonus for [PAID] members while keeping everything tidy, but you won't have to host as many images.
January 17th, 2006
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Max, I don't see a reason for personal sites. I mean who makes a YTMND for your own personal enjoyment. BTW if your implementing a system that sites will be deleted if they are rated too lowly I think it would be quite a fun time waster to go to a site death row and see sites that will be destroyed within 24 hours.
January 17th, 2006
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My wallet hurts... oh the pain...
January 17th, 2006
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+- Allow users to report keyword abusers. Just put a cap on # keywords instead, limit to like 5 o so. Sell another batch of T-shirts too.
January 17th, 2006
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Must disagree with moderating and blamming sites... I understand why it's necessary but it conflicts with YTMND being about freedom...
January 17th, 2006
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Perhaps you should change it to less than 100 views per ten days AND less than 2.5 score, or at least make some sites exempt, cause' Riding Spinnas and prolly other classic (or at least lesser known yet good) ytmnds would die.
January 17th, 2006
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The Robots have taken me. Please send help.
January 17th, 2006
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"+- Ability to delete comments on your sites. [ PAID ]" Ooh. Hey, Twinsen! Check this action out! :)
January 17th, 2006
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level 255? pssh!
January 17th, 2006
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I too must agree with the others, 'personal' sites seems like a waste of time and resources to create; it also would indicate more of a move towards paid-service-only.
January 17th, 2006
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Just an idea max, but how about allowing advertisers to purchase bannerspace on YTMND? I like most all of your ideas. However, I'd suggest posting in SH/SC over at SomethingAwful some of the coding based ideas so you could get an idea of how feasible it would be to program some of the features you're talking about. Hell, you might even get some goons to do work for you pro bono.
January 17th, 2006
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I read the whole thing and only the word "shopping" stuck in my mind. Seriously though, when I have the courage to upload things of my own, the paid user features do seem worthwhile to me, and some of the suggestions (DXSSI510's) are things I agree with. The automatic deletion feature seems liable for faults, and downvoting could cause alot of problems. What if there was a section that gave a list of the ytmnd's in que for deletion? That way people would be able to see what's on the endangered species list and act accordingly.
January 17th, 2006
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And I agree with most of the users here however. You'll have to bring in alot more moderators before the idea of a moderation que would be feasible. Also, I'd suggest trying to work on that new moderator interface we were talking about on the forums before then went kaput.
January 17th, 2006
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Nice, list I think it's well done. But, would it be ok if high voted sites get the comment deletion option, after reaching a certian threshold? Is that even possible?
January 17th, 2006
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Site deletion, unless you pay? WTF? And the level thing sounds a lot like GameFAQs. :(
January 17th, 2006
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Needs Black Materia
January 17th, 2006
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i will give everyone's ytmnd 5 stars [PAID]
January 17th, 2006
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but ya, if there's no feature loss to those who can't afford to pay, i'm happy
January 17th, 2006
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Some of the most brilliant sites are going to be destroyed if you kill things under 2.5. There's going to be nothing left but Brian Peppers and myspace suicides if you implement this.
January 17th, 2006
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^ Agreed Inkdrinker my Feedback Page will go to the sh*t!
January 17th, 2006
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^ what he said. 2.5 idea needs to go, people will intentionally downvote (like they do already).
January 17th, 2006
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I really want a YTMND hoodie. It's so cold here. :(
January 17th, 2006
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> being a non-conformist. :P OK sorry but I couldn't resist.
January 17th, 2006
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v - arrow down.
January 17th, 2006
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If there has to be a deletion process, then it should just be those sites which don't get 10 or more views in any given week. I'll post a comprehensive critique of this on the forums some time in the next few days.
January 17th, 2006
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^ But even some of the best sites don't get 10 views a day anymore!
January 17th, 2006
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re-read my post
January 17th, 2006
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Pfft arrows. })i({ My butterfly is better. That and I'm seeing a general concensus and worry about the auto deletion idea.
January 17th, 2006
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All the ideas look good except the "no auto-delete for paid users". That's the only paid feature that seems to go a bit too far.
January 17th, 2006
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auto deletion and moderation queue are bad ideas
January 17th, 2006
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I agree that auto-deletion is a bad idea, but I do look forward to paid accounts and maybe one day when I am not having to chose between internet goodies and food I will buy one. Also having moderation is a bad idea IMO; YTMND will lose some of the "edgy" and "in your face" "raw" appeal. Also please for the love of god make persistant logins that last more than 10 minutes PLEASE :) I
January 17th, 2006
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And the most important part gets cut off! D: I
January 17th, 2006
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oh god dammit I am trying to draw a heart but apparently that is some kind of script I am trying to say that I love ytmnd ok
January 17th, 2006
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Everything sounds really good to me except for the site deletion stuff. Alot of times i like to look through sites that have hardly ever been viewed, and ive found some REALLY good ones that way :D I think sites should only get deleted if they have ALOT of downvotes or something, Just because a site isnt popular doesnt mean its not good :)
January 17th, 2006
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How about a system like newgrounds has with "blams" and "protections" so that really horrible stuff dies as soon as it comes out while really good stuff can get a little more exposure and be protected by auto-blammers.
January 17th, 2006
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Oh, the blamming and protecting thing would only be for public sites. Private sites should obviously stay alive for 30 days only and not require blams/protects. While I'm at it, how about each new site must get front page exposure for, say 1-5 minutes, and a blam/protect will take away or add 30 seconds?
January 17th, 2006
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My todo list: *adding YTMND paid account to my "things I'm going to buy as soon as I get a damn credit card" list
January 17th, 2006
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Change the forum structure so that the "old-schoolers" have a sub forum of their own that they can moderate and be +-- in charge of. f*ck YES MAX
January 17th, 2006
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100th comment
January 17th, 2006
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Max, I've been coming to YTMND since they were individual sites with seperate domain names. I personally think the paid users idea is good, but for the love of God don't make it a recurring payment. It's the one thing that stops me from signing up for almost anything. I don't want the extra hassle. One thing you might consider, for paid users, is the ability to choose between the corner image and the ! # system that we all loved so much. (Globally, not just for their sites.) I'd also like to see a loader for those sites that always have "Refresh" in their titles. I have absolutely no idea how you would implement this as I don't know if there are any calls you can make from within the browser to get loading status data but it's a thought. Here's another one I just thought of: Make SURE that people are required to type in their image and sound origins before the site creation system will allow them to submit. That's about all for me.
January 17th, 2006
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Well..You have sure been busy Max. As far as paying for extra features, Im all game, Pending on how much you wanna charge and how you wanna charge it (Yearly, Monthly, Quarterly). I know its not set in stone, But some of the things up there qould do nothing but Add to this site. Some, like the Moderatior Ques, Would take away from it. If you worried about content of YTMND's, (Meaning you dont want a huge flasted penis showing up when someone clicks on a link to "The New Picard Song" or something), You might consider More Mods? Anything but Mod Ques. That would do nothing but cause frustraition and confusion. And we both know that if one of those things happen, these guys tend to Riot.
January 17th, 2006
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One more thing: The whole auto-deletion deal doesn't sound too appealing. You could get rid of a lot of sites if you just deleted ones with that criteria from people who haven't logged in for a certain amount of time. Also have the ability for sites to be "marked" for permanency after they've reached a certain amount of views, say 1000. A purging system is needed, but be careful with its design. A lot of people on here value their creations though they may get downvoted or neglected.
January 17th, 2006
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Also..Max should be Level 999. Just a thought.
January 17th, 2006
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You have really come up with the goods max, great ideas man. DO IT.
January 17th, 2006
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AJAX will improve the site a massive 100x over if used correctly.
January 17th, 2006
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Auto-site deletion is a very bad idea, because it takes all of the fun out of the variety of sites. Who would make an original YTMND if they knew that there was a good chance it would be deleted in 30 days anyway? Also, I think making recurring payments will attract very, very few people. It would be better just to attract more advertising and have one-time payments.
January 17th, 2006
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I like everything but the paid user crap.
January 17th, 2006
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This is made of win and god macs :D
January 17th, 2006
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I also think sites should NOT go into moderation before going live. It ruins the concept.
January 17th, 2006
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"+- Decide on vBulletin of SMF" I highly suggest a vBulletin, I admin on both forums and have to say that the SMF admin controls are horrible. It is also easier to moddify vBulliton forums.
January 17th, 2006
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Nice stuff. I like the Idea, filtering out the crap so that everything runs smoother. Keeps everyone in more control and stops tards.
January 17th, 2006
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I don't think I like the user levels and moderation/deletion of sites, hopefully it won't be abused lest this place turn into NaziFaqs.
January 17th, 2006
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All I can say is that I hope the comment extension comes soon.
January 17th, 2006
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A lot of it sounds pretty good; but I don't really like the new site creation system. Seems a little too bureaucratic. The best thing about YTMND I always found was you could just log in, click a few buttons and have a site up to live on forever.
January 17th, 2006
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The top sponsored sites should be changed to the top sponsored sites in the past month or something. I wouldn't mind getting one of my sites in there, but I bet you can guess why I'm not paying $76 just to force "You can't handle the barrel roll!" on the front page. Not that any of this sh*t matters.
January 17th, 2006
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I'm new here to site creation but enjoyed this stuff for some time. Like y said there should be more of a trial period to see if the people like it... once it hits a certain amount of views or keeps a certain average after a number of votes it should stay. Keep site creation simple as is. Maybe you could also add some links to programs to help make ytmnds, like audio editors? I'd like to know how the hell people can make 6 minutes long songs on some sites.
January 17th, 2006
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pwed - Looks good, ohio!
January 17th, 2006
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Wow, I'd love to see some of those implented.
January 17th, 2006
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What's max's e-mail again? I need to find out what my registered email address is.
January 17th, 2006
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To do: YOUR MOM
January 17th, 2006
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Sounds great. Glad you're putting so much thought into this.
January 17th, 2006
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uncle hams is slightly confused
January 17th, 2006
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Hey Max: If you want to farm out some programming work (i.e. session class wrappers, db class wrappers, etc), let me know.
January 17th, 2006
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Hey Max: If you want to farm out some programming (esp. wrapper classes and/or ajax GUI design), let me know. Gratz on putting the Baumans in their place, btw.
January 17th, 2006
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Don't mess with perfection, man. I understand YTMND needs money to keep it up and running, and I understand that. But the moderation queue is gonna kill the community. Trust me, i've seen it happen; admins getting pissed off at spam and such, then implimenting a queue, and each forum went straight to hell. Don't do it, max. And don't baleet sites under 2.5. All that would be left would be fads! Ick! I also understand that YTMND needs a limit to the number of them, so how about baleeting sites under 1? There's a lot of them, and people don't watch them. Don't kill the community, O King of the Intarweb!
January 17th, 2006
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yes fix sound for firefox! I go to this site at school all the time and I have firefox installed cuz its the shyt but u cant install plugins on the school's computers therefore im forced to use...internet explorer *shivers* lol chyea
January 17th, 2006
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I'm not feeling the auto deletion too much...
January 17th, 2006
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Auto-deletion based on ratings is a bad idea. There's a lot of very popular YTMNDs that don't have good ratings. I can understand deleting sites that don't get any views, though.
January 17th, 2006
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I don't like the site lock/replace idea. I tweak new sites out sometimes depending on comments and ideas I get after I submit. Perhaps lock it after a couple days?
January 17th, 2006
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Nice that you are working in binary letter in the levelsystem (where maximum for one bit (one bit = 8 numers is 11111111 = 255) :D
January 17th, 2006
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a lot of these ideas are good, max. they really are. there's just a lot of flaws to them that users can exploit. for example, any group of terrorizing downvoters could easily get a site deleted by anchoring it below 2.5. with that feature in place, you're giving more power to the downvoters, at least over the "free users." i'm also not too crazy about the moderation idea. while it does sound like something useful to filter out the bad sites early on, it makes creating a new site a bit of a hassle, and the feature could also be badly abused by downvoters.
January 17th, 2006
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out of all honesty, i think most of your tender loving care (as far as updates are concerned) should go to the fourms. as of now, they look rather bland. that's kinda why i haven't bothered to join them. ^_^;
January 17th, 2006
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Im fairly new to this site, this site is really neat. Personally the thought or seeing the text "paid for" "not deleted if paid for" just dont work...no point to create something then have it auto deleted...but depending on the price i may pay.
January 17th, 2006
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oh, yeah. one more thing. i agree with TerraChronicle's idea about loweing the auto-deletion threshold. i think 1.5 is a better number to go with than 2.5.
January 17th, 2006
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MAX, the way you've been running the site so far is good. Not only good, it is enough. YTMND is highly appreciated by its simplicity, and adding all those features will take that out. Paid users will not help eighter. I vote to keep YTMND as it is, and /maybe/ implement a few of the features you suggested. And I hope you read this.
January 17th, 2006
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I am not a lawyer, but I am also the webmaster of a website, and I have recently been threatened with a lawsuit over a comment one user made about another on my forums. According to the lawyers I have talked to, Communications Decency Act 230 will protect you, but only if you are a content provider and not a moderator. If you create the moderation queue as you propose you will become liable for the content that users create here. You do not want that, and YTMND users do not want that. It only takes one overzealous thin skinned knuckledragger to destroy this whole thing for everyone.
January 17th, 2006
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Content Provider -> Service Provider
January 17th, 2006
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Looks good. Bring on the pay site.
January 17th, 2006
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Damn, you're on the ball now, dog.
January 17th, 2006
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^^ LostLong has a good point. The more "hands-off" the moderators are about content (that is, the more it resembles a "newsstand" and not a "newspaper"), the less liability the site/server owner has to bear.
January 17th, 2006
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For "USER LEVELS" I think that you should allow for user rankings. In which case: LEVEL 1 - You have made a site. LEVEL 2 - Your site has made it to "Up and Coming" LEVEL 3 - Your site has made it to "Moderator's Favorites" LEVEL 4 - Your site has made it to "Top 15 Viewed" LEVEL 5 - Your site has made it to "Top 5 Rated" LEVEL 6 - Your site has made it to "Hall of Fame" -Just a suggestion. It is a motivation for people to make better sites. Also, it will add a fun and exciting element to ytmnd. I hope you will consider. -dr-nick
January 17th, 2006
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how about a feature that marks YTMNDs with icons showing achievements they've made. i.e. up and coming, top rated, top 15 viewed, hall of fame, moderator's favs
January 17th, 2006
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my girl friend bought a shirt a month ago and so shirt has been deliverd to her house... what gives?
January 17th, 2006
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INSTEAD OF HAVING PAGES RESET ON UPDATE, YOU SHOULD JSUT NOT ALLOW CHANGING THE NAME, THAT WAY YOU CAN MAKE SMALL CHANGES TO THE WEBSITE AND NOT HAVE PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT IT. THIS WILL KEEP VIEWS THE SAME.
January 17th, 2006
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Um...what's this about moderation?
January 17th, 2006
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225 = max brillance
January 17th, 2006
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I'm liking the ideas, Max!
January 17th, 2006
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i feel free to comment on this.
January 17th, 2006
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i support the autodelet3eion iadeas
January 17th, 2006
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With these awesome features, we don't need the forums. YTMND becomes the forum/myspace/imageshack. If you absolutely must bring back the forums, though, please consider that even to just post in FYAD still costs $10bux. If the forum cost money, I actually might use it, and it might actually be a useful tool for making cool ytmnds.
January 17th, 2006
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Can anybody give a ballpark figure as to how much "PAID" features will cost? I hope it's not 95 USD per month like Delphion.com.
January 17th, 2006
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"how about a feature that marks YTMNDs with icons showing achievements they've made. i.e. up and coming, top rated, top 15 viewed, hall of fame, moderator's favs" That's a good idea, like on Xbox Live.
January 17th, 2006
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You should add something in the forums just for "old friends" of ytmnd-- users who paid long before there were benefits to doing so. I and many others reading your To-Do list would be in that category.
January 17th, 2006
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ZOMG max!!! someone way up there said "YTMND hoodie" ! ... I second that! Please look into it after all this is done. I bought the shirt but now it is winter.
January 17th, 2006
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Sounds good, -but- 2.5 is a bit high of a rating, maybe just 2 or do away with auto deletion. Also, good idea on the favorites thing, like I like to 5 good sites, but some of them aren't really my favorites.
January 17th, 2006
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i think the "last 5 created" section of the front page should be increased. maybe "last 10 created"? sometimes a site that has had a lot of effot put into it gets pushed right off the page too quickly for it to get any views/votes. just a thought.
January 17th, 2006
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BRB FBI
January 17th, 2006
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Thats one hell of a project you'll have to set this all up.
January 17th, 2006
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i need a shirt and i need to know where to by it ... by the way im a noob so it will be a while before i get to post any thing good
January 17th, 2006
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This past semester I was the webmaster for my college a capella group. I already knew basic web design and programming, taught myself php and mysql, and have built the etire site from scratch. This experience has caused me to change my major FROM computer science. It was a ton of frustrating work, and technically speaking, the site is nothing compared to YTMND. Unless you have created a data-driven site yourself, you cannot begin to appreciate the work max has done for all of us. Long nights debuging, looking and looking for syntax errors that aren't even there, wondering why your perfect algorythm prints crap to the screen. I've been there, max, I know your pain. There are also a lot of financial expenses involved. I STRONGLY urge anyone who can afford it to become a paid member, not for the perks, but because max deserves it. I will definitly become a paid member.
January 17th, 2006
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Good luck, Max. Looks like you're going to be making some huge improvements to your site. Might I suggest using valid xhtml too? :D
January 17th, 2006
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Max at 255 - Genius! Fad lists - Genius! Fixing the damned cookie issue - HALLELUJAH! Auto-deletion for over 50% of sites = Phail. 2.5? Honestly, even Newgrounds isn't that strict on what gets through. Keep EVERYTHING that's legal.
January 17th, 2006
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And there should be a generic sounds list so that the server doesn't have 50000 copies of fad songs stored on it. Also, a silence option if for some reason you don't want sound on your site.
January 17th, 2006
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I've got this idea to help out people who want to show off their YTMNDs but have no way to do so, a "shout-out" box on the first page with 10 YTMNDs, if a user "shouts-out" their YTMND it'll be bumped to the top of this list and will only dissappear when the list is filled again. Another idea!: Instead of letting users upload any image as their profile image why not use something like Gaia Online where all the Avatars are different yet alike (bennetton rly?), something like, i dunno, a 9x6 ASCII (colored) text box that can be edited by users, like this: by default: 888888888 888888888 888888888 888888888 888888888 888888888 it would cut a lot on image space not to mention make www.ytmnd.com and even more unique site.
January 17th, 2006
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I like all your ideas. This is the only site on the internet that I'd pay to have an account on, but only if it was a 1 time, non-recurring thing.
January 17th, 2006
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(sh*t, they were ment to be on top of each other..) Now for advice! I don't agree with the deleted if under 2.5 feature. Private messaging (PM), better profile pages, and Help & FAQ page are urgent features. A LOT of new boxes on the first page would be nice. More fieds on users' YTMND list (e.g.: Date) User's favorite sites should be, obviously, sites 5'd by the user AND the ones with the most visits. Maybe a comment page (like a Guestbook) for each user, on a second thought, maybe not, because it would be subject to heavy spamming or chatting. And perhaps the most importantly of all, a real-life picture of the mysterious "max".
January 17th, 2006
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btw: another thing that scraps the lower end of my femur is that when i organize my, or another user's, ytmnds it always organizes from in rising order when 99.9% of the times i want to see either the top rated, top viewed, etc.
January 17th, 2006
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okay max ppl are continously downvoting my site plz look into it okay thanx
January 17th, 2006
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if you are going to go for nested comments, maybe you ought to consider rated comments as well(slashdot style). it'd be more incentive for users to leave helpful comments, or atleast think of something half funny before just typing 'LOL 5 SLOPCOCKS LOOLS'
January 17th, 2006
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Auto-delete sounds ominous. Maybe base it on views per day w/sites being permanent after 1000 views or something.
January 17th, 2006
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Also, moderation is a slippery slope. Once you're capable of doing it on a large scale, you're responsible for EVERYTHING that gets put on here, exposing you to all sorts of legal shenanigans. The only option would be to moderate sites that are even just slightly offensive/infringing, which would kill YTMND. Don't do it, Max!
January 17th, 2006
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http://s13.invisionfree.com/Prime_Directive/index.php?
January 17th, 2006
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http://s13.invisionfree.com/Prime_Directive/index.php? go here, register and post, this forum needs chaos!!!
January 17th, 2006
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YTMND store yay!
January 17th, 2006
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So do I lose my account and YTMNDs rated under 2.5?
January 17th, 2006
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Can we have PHPBB forums instead? Please?
January 17th, 2006
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Not digging the paid thing at all.
January 17th, 2006
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@-- Maybe a global fads list and let people take over maintaining a fad list. FOCKING GENIUS
January 17th, 2006
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honey roasted peanuts
January 17th, 2006
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^^^ ALSO COCKS
January 17th, 2006
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Scary thought: if there had been new YTMND moderation a week ago, Neil Bauman's "Cease and Desist" might have actually carried legal force, instead of just being a hilarious send-up of an official business letter.
January 17th, 2006
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Level 255? Overcompensating much?
January 17th, 2006
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WHY DO I STILL KEEP GETTING TIMED OUT? SOMEBODY ANSWER ME! I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS HERE!!!
January 17th, 2006
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what will happen to the sites already made?
January 17th, 2006
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I think anyone should be able to delete a comment of their site, not just the paid users.
January 17th, 2006
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aaronak makes a good point. the minute you assert control over which ytmnds go up, you immediately become responsible for every byte of content that goes into it. copyright holders will be sending C&D's all over the place. Even if much of the stuff falls under parody, it won't stop them from trying.
January 17th, 2006
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also I worry that a lot of downvoters will have even more power against people who are just starting out YTMND..they can virtually destory everything they make, thus discouraging new members and making ytmnd stagnant..
January 17th, 2006
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Cocks is right. Moderation queue? Auto-delete? You have *got* is be joking. Paid accounts I can understand, but moderation queue and auto-delete would totally ruin YTMND big time.
January 17th, 2006
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All looks brilliant (even for those who won't pay) but the auto-deletion due to score seems a bit scary. Not only will some famously low-rated sites disappear, but it seems so unneeded with the more reasonable deletion criteria implemented. I'm very good about deleting the sites I have made that are flops, but I kind of want to see all the classic failures still in place. Wow, this website is going to look like (gasp) a normal website!
January 17th, 2006
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It's truely a sad sight when such a great site has users who are so inconciderate with their donations that they have to start whoring themselves out for "paid" features.
January 17th, 2006
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This pay system is going to kill the whole insanity that it ytmnd!
January 17th, 2006
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aw, you can't take away the ability to edit, some of the best sites come about in an edit... I mean, now with WINKING JESUS
January 17th, 2006
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YTMND HAS A STORE?!
January 17th, 2006
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I think the paid amount should be in the $3-$7 range and be a one-time fee only, like freepgs.com.
January 17th, 2006
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I dont like this at all.
January 17th, 2006
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i am sad.
January 17th, 2006
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Damn good Ideas, hope you find the time to implement them.
January 17th, 2006
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Sounds really thorough; A lot of those problems I've noticed, like the keyword abusers. A relevancy system would be nice but complicated, wouldn't it? I know Wiki has that, but then, most people ought to. I think that Max means by the paid thing is that people who get a paid account, a "Gold membership" if you will, get access to more features, just shiny stuff. You don't have to, but I'm sure donations will still be appreciated.
January 17th, 2006
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max sold out :(
January 17th, 2006
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I think in terms of mods and teh admin, people with ytmnd's in the HOF should have first choice whether to become one. Those sites shaped this community and whithout them we are nothing. We'd be nothing without picard song, and lindsay lohan started a whole war. So think about it.
January 17th, 2006
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Is there a views bug? I have a site I made and when I look at it in my "manage sites" area its says its got 4 votes, 3 comments but 0 views? WTF?
January 17th, 2006
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How many of those users still consistantly frequent this site?
January 17th, 2006
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what about paid user site titles bolded or special colored in the listings? maybe have the avatar appear in a little popup box when you hover over the site listing?
January 17th, 2006
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people won't pay for this. instead, i think a user should need a certain number of 4+ ytmnd's to attain higher level.
January 17th, 2006
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I'll pay, and I'd definitely buy those removable glass-adhering stickers if they were sold from the store, too
January 17th, 2006
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"people won't pay for this. instead, i think a user should need a certain number of 4+ ytmnd's to attain higher level." Actually, I like that idea a lot. You won't get a lot of people paying for ytmnd, I'd focus more on the store option for profiting off of us.
January 17th, 2006
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"Sites get auto deleted after 30 days if they have less than 100 views or 10 votes or the score is less than 2.5" MAX, NO!!!!! PLEASE don't implement that...that would be a TERRIBLE idea! =(
January 17th, 2006
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Level 255: Max. I like
January 17th, 2006
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above 2.5? i think most of the downvoters just had an orgasm. sh*t idea that gonna cause alot of good sites to be deleted.
January 17th, 2006
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max did his homework
January 17th, 2006
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This would really help with space issues. Think how much nicer YTMND will be without all the stupid, unfunny, pointless sites that make up 90% of YTMND.
January 17th, 2006
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Interesting. Get rid of the auto-deletion and I'd hit that list. ^_^
January 17th, 2006
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I appreciate the Firefox souond fix, it gets really annoying having to switch back to IE to view YTMNDs with sound. Also, I'd definitely agree some hard-core moderation needs to be done, both with YTMNDs and on the forum.
January 17th, 2006
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Wow! This really really sucks.
January 17th, 2006
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Whoa that's a lot. But I like what I'm hearin =0
January 17th, 2006
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I like the ability to preview and edit a site before it's finalized, but I'm not sure about the "non-payed users cannot edit after it's done" thing.
January 17th, 2006
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I'm also not too sure about the auto-delete feature. I mean, there are alot of downvoters out there, and it also means that sites that don't make it into the "Up and Coming" would be pretty much gone, because they will get no front page time.
January 17th, 2006
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Is deleting all sites with a score
January 17th, 2006
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Dearest Max, Please let us use our MIDI files at site creation. Midis midis midis!
January 17th, 2006
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Let us know when and where we can sign up for paid, and I'll be in. A private forum for paid users only would be cool as well.
January 17th, 2006
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I like it how it is.
January 18th, 2006
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Okay, when half the sites I access are a black screen, and I'm forced to weed through Picard, Conan, WoW, and MATHPWND, you can go straight to hell as far as garnering $$$. "Show this to the old woman?" Sponsored? Are you f*cking high? I love this site more than any other, even though people bust my balls for it. But for chrissakes, this auto-delete bullsh*t is just dumb. I don't want this place reduced to Blue Balls and sites you think are cute that amount to having the humor of a test pattern. I understand that you have a rough task everyday running this site, and you do it out of love rather than it being lucrative, but if you want YTMND to self destruct, just come out and say so. Let's not overthink things...especially since this site began with something incredibly moronic and silly. It's hard to swallow the idea of you considering yourself the arbiter of fine intarwebbing in light of that.
January 18th, 2006
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sounds alright. Id pay if it was only like maybe a one toime fee of 5 or ten dollars. I dont tjhink id like to get into a monthly plan.
January 18th, 2006
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Oh man okerf*ck chill out. with the black cscreens YOU HAVE TO WAIT ALITTLE BIT AND THE IMAGE WILL APPEAR. And also as a respone to a above poster, i noticed that when I was running my zone alarms firewall, the sound will not work correctly in firefox. It will begin, then just skip out forever. Disable cookie blocking if you feel the need for sound
January 18th, 2006
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^^ boomaga - Would it be possible for you to consider reading some of the legal threats I've received? Your Neil J. Bauman work is true art, and I think you could really do some amazing stuff with the letters I've gotten.
January 18th, 2006
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I know what i say is not worth much, but if you make people pay for YTMND, your no better than ebaumsworld.com. That's all I had to say, and no I don't believe YTMND is something worth paying for anyway.
January 18th, 2006
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I like the preview idea and the personal sites alot. I make alot of in-joke YTMNDs that get rated down solely because no one else is going to get the joke. As far as editing however...not so much. It's an annoying ginmmick when people just change the site title to remain in the top 15, but when people give suggestions to improve a site, I'm sure the creator would appreciate the ability to make those changes.
January 18th, 2006
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sounds good max
January 18th, 2006
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nice... Im kinda said about the matter of killed sites caus i suck *ss at this
January 18th, 2006
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everything sounds good max exept for aouto deletion cuz i like my sites but they dont get rated too high and my friends thinky theyre hilarious so thats the only bad thing
January 18th, 2006
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I like most of it, except the deleting thing...
January 18th, 2006
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Avatar Idea: Have a small 12x12 image next to the name that looks like something, and a full-size avatar on a profile page.
January 18th, 2006
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I agree, avatars would make things a little more forum like i guess.
January 18th, 2006
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Get auto deleted after 30 days if: It has less than (100 views or 10 votes) or the score is less than 2.5 bad idea, not as many gems of ytmnd then, and its tough for MANY people to get 100 hits or 10 votes in 30 days
January 18th, 2006
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Paid...that's no good. NOOOOO!!
January 18th, 2006
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All sounds good, except for the auto-delete thing. Seems like it could cause more harm than good.
January 18th, 2006
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Oh yeah, and the edit lock thing sucks too. Minor adjustments and fixes don't deserve a complete stat reset.
January 18th, 2006
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ne1 wana oro farm & skill caps?
January 18th, 2006
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Almost everything listed under [Site Creation] is going to cause problems.
January 18th, 2006
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i think there should bea system where you can send users feedback based on how they comment on sites. There are a few users that downvote sites regardless of their quality *cough* tehpwner2 *cough*
January 18th, 2006
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What you need to do is a barrel roll! Holy sh*t you didn't see that coming. Now lets rob that liquor store.
January 18th, 2006
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Max certainly has been on an owning streak lately.
January 18th, 2006
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Max, most of it sounds good. But PLEASE don't go the "paid" stuff. What makes YTMND great is that is free.
January 18th, 2006
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That took about an hour to read...I think its pretty clear what the public thinks Max; no moderation, no auto-deletion, and re-think the paid users idea.
January 18th, 2006
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I totally agree with everything 100%.
January 19th, 2006
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Max... You're the f*cking man now dog!!! I mean wow! you made me so f*cking happy. These are things i've always wanted to on YTMND.com! It's like you took all the feature I always wanted and more, And make something so great.. All my repect and love has gone to you Max. Thank you.
January 19th, 2006
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ytmnd should be free.
January 19th, 2006
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WRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
January 19th, 2006
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sounds like it will take a long time. but most of it sounds good. how much are we takling about if we want to sign up as a paid member becaue ill be willing to.
January 19th, 2006
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your site's a bit f*cked up right now. Looks like beginners HTML. The images and sound aren't showing. Oh no. hax0r!
January 19th, 2006
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oh. there we go.
January 19th, 2006
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88 MILES PER HOUR!!! Also sounds smooth.
January 19th, 2006
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might sound like a stupid idea, but some times i like to view a lot of sites from the same fad. so maybe in the site creation process, there is an option of putting a fad category?
January 19th, 2006
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oh cmon? you ahve to apy for this sh*t? serisouly, thsi is what makes most sites suck!
January 19th, 2006
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Woot ... just donated 20 bucks so if some of this goes live im set
January 20th, 2006
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noone did YA RLY yet......
January 20th, 2006
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no wai!!!1!! hmm it might be good.. might not
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