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posted by max on February 03, 2008 at 04:10:00 PM
ahoy mateys,
Just a quick post to let you know of a few happenings at the moment. A YTMND user is running for a seat in the house of representatives. One of my childhood idols is trying to sue me. I'm adding a new content box to the front page template and a bunch of new development info.
Read more for the hotness.
First off, YTMND user FreAkweNtcY is running for a seat in the house of representatives in Florida. So if you're crazy enough that you both live in Florida and think that the Diebold machines will count your vote properly, vote for him, maybe we can spice up CSPAN. Really though, it would be pretty amazing to get someone who is young enough that they are still in touch with the future of the country into any sort of political office.
Second up, Gary Larson, creator of The Far Side has contacted the YTMND Legal Team with multiple complaints about YTMNDs that feature cartoons of his. Here is one copy of the complaint, of importance is the "personal note" from Gary Larson himself.
I know it's been a while since I've posted a copyright complaint, but it's mainly due to the fact that at this point I receive so many that I just ignore them. The company that represents the Far Side has been persistent though, so I felt they deserved a response. Some of the (many) sites they mention as breaking copyright law:
So after you read the complaint check out the beauty of a response that was (for the most part) drafted by our crack legal counsel (who just happened to have made new ytmnd today).
Regarding the last news post, Cobalt sent in a document listing punishable behaviors and applicable punishments. BTape then made a wiki version using Cobalt's version as a base. Feel free to make your own versions on the wiki and discuss it on the talk pages. This is important stuff, so don't keep your opinions quiet.
I am going to be adding a "PoliticTMND" content box to the front page template for the upcoming primaries and elections, I haven't completed the list of applicable keywords yet, but any input on what you guys think should be included would be helpful, feel free to send me a comprehensive list in a PM. This content box will replace "Featured Users" for the time being.
Now, on to development updates. I've branched SVN into a new completely refactored design and started working on it full steam. I finally got around to setting up a (mostly) functioning copy of the site which is entirely separate from the live site, which is a fairly large accomplishment in itself.
One of the hardest parts about refactoring is that it basically involves rewriting huge amounts of code which in the end, if done correctly, function exactly the same as the code you originally had. This can be wholly unsatisfying and can cause you to easily lose focus.
There are so many things I want to do where I keep running into conflicting areas of the code and I have to make cascading code changes to change one small thing, it can be frustrating to say the least.
That being said, I've started to come up with a list of features I want to launch with the new version and I am streamlining a huge portion of the site. I've already completely rewritten a big chunk of the base functionality which will is a great upgrade to scalability and performance.
So once I finalize the list of features for "2.0", I will be posting it up here for everyone to get an idea of just how much the site will be changing. I hope to address a major chunk of the community's concerns and requests, as well as just cleaning up the hundreds of lazy bugs and pieces of the site that are hard to use (or were never implemented).
On a side note, I've deleted nearly 700 users over the past few months and plan on "clearing the queue" soon so site scores should normalize a bit. One of the big hurdles of the new system is the ability to allow moderators to delete users instantly but have the ability to restore them if anything goes wrong, so in the future, this should be less of an issue.
I know user moderation is one of the largest complaints here, and rightly so. The focus has always been to moderate sites, because (as I've said in the past) this was never intended to be a community site. I wish it were as easy as "delete anyone who causes trouble" but it isn't, and that's the fault of my original design for YTMND. There is a lot going on in the back end, so letting moderators delete users at will is currently an extremely risky proposition, because once someone is deleted, it is entirely permanent.
I know the way the system is designed promotes alts, down-voting and general trolling, but such is necessary in a system that promotes anyone to participate and enable free speech. That being said, the new system is going to have an extremely comprehensive set of checks to avoid the "alt problem" all together. I know talking about this in the future-tense will just make Afrotech mock and complain even further, but I'm going to implement some interim solutions to tide the surge of alt creation. Most importantly, I've limited account creation by IP to once every 24 hours. While this won't stop alts, it makes creating them a lot more of a chore. I will be further outlining what the new system will do to disable this behavior in the next news post.
I want to thank everyone for the overwhelming amount of feedback, and I want you to know I'm reading as much of it as I can, and I am really working to make YTMND a place we all want to visit on a regular basis again.
-Max
Just a quick post to let you know of a few happenings at the moment. A YTMND user is running for a seat in the house of representatives. One of my childhood idols is trying to sue me. I'm adding a new content box to the front page template and a bunch of new development info.
Read more for the hotness.
First off, YTMND user FreAkweNtcY is running for a seat in the house of representatives in Florida. So if you're crazy enough that you both live in Florida and think that the Diebold machines will count your vote properly, vote for him, maybe we can spice up CSPAN. Really though, it would be pretty amazing to get someone who is young enough that they are still in touch with the future of the country into any sort of political office.
Second up, Gary Larson, creator of The Far Side has contacted the YTMND Legal Team with multiple complaints about YTMNDs that feature cartoons of his. Here is one copy of the complaint, of importance is the "personal note" from Gary Larson himself.
I know it's been a while since I've posted a copyright complaint, but it's mainly due to the fact that at this point I receive so many that I just ignore them. The company that represents the Far Side has been persistent though, so I felt they deserved a response. Some of the (many) sites they mention as breaking copyright law:
- http://gmodfarside.ytmnd.com/
- http://farsidedinosaur.ytmnd.com/
- http://farsidesoh.ytmnd.com/
- http://garylarson2.ytmnd.com/
- http://catfud.ytmnd.com/
- http://duckwatch.ytmnd.com/
- http://garylarson.ytmnd.com/
- http://bears.ytmnd.com/
- http://laboratory-pressure.ytmnd.com/
- http://closetostolen.ytmnd.com/
- http://garylarsonisgay.ytmnd.com/
So after you read the complaint check out the beauty of a response that was (for the most part) drafted by our crack legal counsel (who just happened to have made new ytmnd today).
Regarding the last news post, Cobalt sent in a document listing punishable behaviors and applicable punishments. BTape then made a wiki version using Cobalt's version as a base. Feel free to make your own versions on the wiki and discuss it on the talk pages. This is important stuff, so don't keep your opinions quiet.
I am going to be adding a "PoliticTMND" content box to the front page template for the upcoming primaries and elections, I haven't completed the list of applicable keywords yet, but any input on what you guys think should be included would be helpful, feel free to send me a comprehensive list in a PM. This content box will replace "Featured Users" for the time being.
Now, on to development updates. I've branched SVN into a new completely refactored design and started working on it full steam. I finally got around to setting up a (mostly) functioning copy of the site which is entirely separate from the live site, which is a fairly large accomplishment in itself.
One of the hardest parts about refactoring is that it basically involves rewriting huge amounts of code which in the end, if done correctly, function exactly the same as the code you originally had. This can be wholly unsatisfying and can cause you to easily lose focus.
There are so many things I want to do where I keep running into conflicting areas of the code and I have to make cascading code changes to change one small thing, it can be frustrating to say the least.
That being said, I've started to come up with a list of features I want to launch with the new version and I am streamlining a huge portion of the site. I've already completely rewritten a big chunk of the base functionality which will is a great upgrade to scalability and performance.
So once I finalize the list of features for "2.0", I will be posting it up here for everyone to get an idea of just how much the site will be changing. I hope to address a major chunk of the community's concerns and requests, as well as just cleaning up the hundreds of lazy bugs and pieces of the site that are hard to use (or were never implemented).
On a side note, I've deleted nearly 700 users over the past few months and plan on "clearing the queue" soon so site scores should normalize a bit. One of the big hurdles of the new system is the ability to allow moderators to delete users instantly but have the ability to restore them if anything goes wrong, so in the future, this should be less of an issue.
I know user moderation is one of the largest complaints here, and rightly so. The focus has always been to moderate sites, because (as I've said in the past) this was never intended to be a community site. I wish it were as easy as "delete anyone who causes trouble" but it isn't, and that's the fault of my original design for YTMND. There is a lot going on in the back end, so letting moderators delete users at will is currently an extremely risky proposition, because once someone is deleted, it is entirely permanent.
I know the way the system is designed promotes alts, down-voting and general trolling, but such is necessary in a system that promotes anyone to participate and enable free speech. That being said, the new system is going to have an extremely comprehensive set of checks to avoid the "alt problem" all together. I know talking about this in the future-tense will just make Afrotech mock and complain even further, but I'm going to implement some interim solutions to tide the surge of alt creation. Most importantly, I've limited account creation by IP to once every 24 hours. While this won't stop alts, it makes creating them a lot more of a chore. I will be further outlining what the new system will do to disable this behavior in the next news post.
I want to thank everyone for the overwhelming amount of feedback, and I want you to know I'm reading as much of it as I can, and I am really working to make YTMND a place we all want to visit on a regular basis again.
-Max
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YTMND is like an adolescent child coming of age, and some very long term members have grown with it I’m sure. Although as the long term members mature so should YTMND. There is some incredibly funny and talented members, and the site has the capability to transcend run-of-the-mill quips and fads, as well as miring the site with senseless bickering. I hope the site continues.
Gary Larson, of all people. I'm a little disappointed if he indeed has seen these sites. On another note, glad to see the user moderation stuff is coming around. I hope this kills off at least some of the huge number of front page trolls, maybe making the fp a little more creativity friendly (though that's really just wishful thinking).
yeah especially if there is a LOL! EPIC 88 MPH DARTH VADER RIDGE RACER STAPLER GATOR WITH THE CONANCRISPBAKHANCHEDDARBANANAPHONE DOING A BARREL ROLL FROM SPARTA TO MOSKAU TO POLEND BECAUSE JON CARRIE FORGOT THE GRAND COALITION AND NOW JORGE BUSCH MUST VOAT %%%%%%%%%% TO SAVE LEEROY MACGYVER BERGKAMP FROM THE 3500HZ SQUARE WAVE section
so FreAkweNtcY knows the importance of a clean shave, which makes him a perfect candidate for a member of the house of representatives. i live in Florida so ill make sure my friends and I vote for this c*ck sucker. And good luck on the whole law suits, not like this is the first time, everything should work out. Also the new system sounds like a good idea, as I crave free speech this is important to my survival. love you long time.
Max said "I know the way the system is designed promotes alts, down-voting and general trolling, but such is necessary in a system that promotes anyone to participate and enable free speech. That being said, the new system is going to have an extremely comprehensive set of checks to avoid the "alt problem" all together."
So does he want money from sponspored sites causes to violate the rules?
Too bad about Gary Larson. He's done funny stuff for years now but this kinda destroys all of that. Every book ever written, every picture ever taken will be passed around like this eventually and if your first reaction is to cry like a baby and legally attack a parody site then you've sunk about as low as you can. I don't know what you normally do to get rid of morons with no legal basis but just do it again...
the new banning rules are a really bunch of sh*t, way too harsh for some of them, and i like how there is a kick up about fourest using "F*CK" in his title but when chronster's sites constantly get downvoted to f*ck with alts, the mods just shrug. what a piece of sh*t that is. and while you are at it, max, add some more of your friends with crap sites to featured users. even i have better sites than most of them.
To be quite honest, I really never saw any YTMNDs featuring Gary Larson. Perhaps real life parodies of "Cat Fud" and "Midvale School for the Gifted" but that's about it. I wish someone would have made a YTMND of the very rare The Far Side comic where Mark Trail is busted by the FBI for poaching. LULZ.
I had two ideas for the front page. First, some sort of "Sites you Might Like" section. I think the vote prediction thing is neat, but it isn't being put to a good use. My idea was to put ten random sites that have a predicted vote of 4 or more on a user's front page, as a kind of a personalized Worthwhile Sites. The second was a U&C-ish section for users with less than 5-10 sites, to highlight content by new users that might otherwise be overshadowed by more established users with large followings.
The Top Viewed being dominated by sites made 15 minutes before the change over seems to have gotten worse with the lighter traffic. Now sites that don't even make U&C are making Top Viewed. Just being in Recently Created is enough, even with a relatively low score. That idea you had to fix that should be a priority. But we know, you are very busy. We know. We appreciate the effort
I have been noticing this too and been thinking about it. I have no idea if this is even feasable or if it would work. Admittedly I'm not awake when the top viewed resets and don't know how many sites are cranked out at that time vs how long sites stay on the recently created. After the top viewed resets, instead of the 30 minutes until it refreshes, give it a few hours. Then after those couple of hours, the top viewed will list with the cumulative views during that time.
I'm basing this idea on the fact that the reason some of those poor rated sites are listed is because they aren't getting kicked off the U&C (mainly) or recently created fast enough and therefore hanging around getting views during that first 30 minutes to stay on the list. I figure if the wait is anywhere from two to four hours (when there aren't many people here anyway) I might help reduce the amount of garbage sites that have been making the list lately.
I think what he said was prevent newly created sites from displaying on Top Viewed for 2 hours or something. But it's pretty pathetic when featured users post an emma watson site at exactly 1AM eastern. It's not even an issue if it will make top viewed or not. Sh*t like that is just so old and so f*cking gay. I haven't clicked on that site so I don't know, maybe it's something funny. but I kind of doubt it. I suspect it's something gay and unfunny and generally bad for ytmnd's overall quality
I guess while I'm awake posting away I should be constructive and give off a suggestion. (If I remember correctly you've already been working on this but I'm not 100% sure.) Please remove the Quicktime dependence! Why must YTMND be dependent on this sh*tty program being installed in Windows? Quicktime has caused nothing but terror on my XP64 setup if I try to install it. Because of this I haven't heard the music for a ytmnd that hasn't used the preloader on my Windows computer in months. Oh the humanity!
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